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Postby The Night Man » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:45 pm

Well, this thread has strayed a bit - and become a battlefield. Let's take care that Jeff doesn't have to come lock it.


It's just a spirited discussion, Hadji, not a battle and certainly with no hard feelings on my part, so I hope that doesn't happen.
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Postby chrissie » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:46 pm

Has it become a battlefield? I hope not. And not so far off course if it can still relate to content in books mentioned. But there does seem to be some misunderstanding going on and I don't think dragging it out is of much value.

Yeah, Orson was brilliantly progressive in so many ways (though probably not in all). It's one of the reasons most of us admire him, I assume.
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Postby etimh » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:46 am

Damn! And I wandered back by here looking for a good battlefield to jump into. You laid-back pacifist types ruin all the fun!

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Postby chrissie » Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:38 am

Well, I could start a thread called 'Citizen Kane Sucks,' if you like. ;-)
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Postby Gordon » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:03 am

Well, I could start a thread called 'Citizen Kane Sucks,' if you like.
or 'Mank Wrote The Whole Thing'
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Postby Lucy » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:13 pm

...and John Houseman directed it, didn't he?
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Postby tonyw » Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:06 pm

I would agree with Hadji. Orson was progressive on so many levels. He just did not give a damn, associated with who he liked, was not "homophobic", and was so ahead of his time in many ways.

Remember that Michael MacLiammoir regarded Orson as a "threat" to his association with Hilton Edwards.

The last few threads might lead to Jeff closing the argument. I hope not. So let's try to keep it, at least semi-serious, and look at what the actual evidence is. However, the important thing is we have the achievements and they are outstanding.

No wonder that the establishment and other jealous figures resort to character assassination. Michael Cimino's post-HEAVEN''S GATE career has suffered from FINAL CUT written by an industry executive who (as Robin Wood has noted) has no idea of what Cimino was attempting to do in an era that would encounter the same type of reactionary onslaught as Welles's formative achievements of the 30s and 40s did in the post-1947 era. It is the work that really counts.
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Postby Lucy » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:12 pm

Semi-seriously, I would question whether a person's sexual orientation is "set" by the time one is sixteen, or ever truly and fully set at all. I've always liked Gore Vidal's statement that all people are born bi-sexual and that it is through "social influences" such as religion, family, peer pressure, ideology, law and order, that we are taught to suppress the gay side of our sexuality. For most people that's no big loss, as the gay impulse is not that strong to begin with. But for some people it is their dominant impulse. So I would also question whether sexual orientation and social influence are entirely different issues. Orson Welles may have recognized this ambiguity too, or he may have simply realized that, in order to make it in the theatre, he would have to learn to get along with a great number of gay men. Simon Callow would probably have his own ideas about how well Welles got along with them.

Tonyw, I'm not sure Cimino's Heaven's Gate is a very good example to use to lament reactionary influence in Hollywood or suppression of personal filmmaking vision. It's kind of turgid and boring even in it's original director's cut, although I'm glad that director's cut is available for those that want to see it. Welles should have been so lucky.
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Postby Wilson » Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:00 pm

Amazon Uk has an updated blurb for Callow's second volume, titled Orson Welles: Hello Americans. Publication date is given as May 2006 with a length of 656 pages. The blurb reads:

"The reason for the decline of Orson Welles's career is a hotly debated issue, but decline it certainly did. When Citizen Kane, his first film, opened in 1941, Welles was universally acclaimed as the most audacious filmmaker alive. But instead of marking the beginning of a triumphant career in Hollywood, the film still regularly voted the greatest ever made proved to be an exception in Welles's life and work. He found it increasingly impossible to function within Hollywood's system. Project after project foundered, either abandoned incomplete - as with his ambitious Brazlian epic "It's All True" - or, as in the case of virtually every other film he made in America, being released in very different form from the one he intended. Finally, in 1947, he left America for Europe where for the best part of twenty years he lived in self-imposed exile, occasionally and briefly returning to stage a play, make a film or shoot a television drama. In close and colourful detail, "Hello Americans" examines the years from "Citizen Kane" to "Macbeth" in which Welles's Hollywood film career came apart. It offers a scrupulous analysis of the factors involved, revealing the immense and sometimes self-defeating complexities of Welles's temperament as well as some of the monstrous personalities with whom he had to contend. At the same time, the book gives full weight to the almost bewildering range of his activities beyond Hollywood: his serious but doomed attempts to be a radio comedian and stage magician, his flamboyant and financially disastrous endeavour to revive spectacular theatre single-handedly, his newspaper columns, the political activities into which he so passionately flung himself. And of course the films, as fascinating as they were flawed: "The Magnificent Ambersons", 'Journey Into Fear", "The Stranger", 'The Lady From Shanghai". The thread that runs through this apparently incoherent blur of activity is an often frustrated engagement with his native land, its faults, its dreams, its popular arts, its history. But by 1947, he had said all that he had to say to his fellow citizens; it was Goodbye Americans for two decades of endlessly experimental and innovative but essentially European work."
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Postby Glenn Anders » Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:25 pm

That's a pretty good blurb, Jeff. If Mr. Callow invests the hefty volume with some slight compassion, and a respect for Welles' true patriotism and courage, he will redeem himself in my eyes.

And I shall be the first to admit it, as shall we all, I'm sure.

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Postby chrissie » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:25 pm

Well, I received the Heylin book from Amazon today and am about 100 pages in. Very enjoyable so far.

I note several barbs directed at Mr. Callow. My fave: re. SC's inference of OW being a bad writer -- '(and he should know)'.

Justified or not, that did make me laugh aloud!
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Postby Store Hadji » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:52 pm

Gee, I like OW and SC's writing.

(And Maurice Bessy's too, for that matter!)
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Postby jaime marzol » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:28 am

i also liked everything i read in clinton's book.

especially liked the stuff on KANE, it was a very exciting read.
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Postby tonyw » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:08 pm

:D Good for you, Chrissie. When I listen to Welles's achievements on the audio-copies of the Mercury Theatre broadcasts, I become more and more irritated by the pomposity exhibited by this lesser talent who, deep down, knows exactly what he is.

Despite being an actor and dramatist, Callow is merely an egotistic poseur eager to destroy anybody of a superior talent rather than learn from the achievements and go off in his own original directions.

We can only hope that the second volume of his biography will refrain from further acts of character assassination now that he has vented his spleen in the first one and try to stick to documented facts.
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Postby Store Hadji » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:37 am

Wow, I REALLY need to reread Road to Xanadu. I totally missed Callow being that callous and shallow!
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