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Touch of Evil - link and info

Postby maxrael » Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:04 am

i read this review of Touch Of Evil on imdb, and thought wellesnetters might be interested!

taken from: http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?0052311

Spoilers herein.

This is not a noir, mystery or thriller -- it just seems so. It is a meditation on space. No one before (except Welles himself in `Othello') had mastered the dimensionality of place as extensively. The actors are merely anchors, references for the camera as it moves around, under and behind planes. Everything is volume, space. Every shot is an adventure in directed perception of depth.

Reading about Heston's view of this film is a hoot. He has no idea what is happening and thinks it has something to do the devolution of Welles' character. Watch Heston in this film, vigorously chasing a greater awareness, and always being largely clueless. Welles used this against him without his knowledge. Same with Ms Leigh who was a manikin in character and `real' life.

In some future, schools will teach kids to be visually articulate, just as they presumably now teach literary competence. And as with now, some will actually get it. Millions of seventh graders will be exposed to this, because it is the purest spatial film -- the one that reveals its 3-d intentions more than Kane, Shanghai, Othello. Millions of kids will note that the story is about `planting' and discovering things and either hallucinating about or recording them. Millions of small essays will be written using Welles' memo as source (some noting similarities with Vincent's letters), but most kids will come out of the experience like Heston did.

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Postby colwood » Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:11 am

I saw this review right before I saw TOE recently for the first time in about 2+ years. I never noticed it before but the reviewer is right. I saw the film and marvelled at how 3-D it seems.

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Postby TheMcGuffin » Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:39 pm

It was a very insightful review and it is totally true. I watch alot of movies and complain to myself why directors don't use planes of space like welles did in his films. Even directors who try and capture the welles style always neglect this single aspect. I also always find it facinating that people don't try and copy welles as much as other directors...well i kind of do. It is much more expensive to shoot deep focus these days and it requires much better staging and character movement. Most directors these days are hacks and don't know how to move a character on screen. oh well...when i shoot my first movie its gonna be in deep focus!!

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Postby tonyw » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:43 pm

:angry:

Does anyone have a VHS copy of the pre-restored version they could copy for me? I'm teaching Welles this Fall and would like to compare the opening sequence of the restored version with the credit sequence with Mancini score in the previous version.

I've also looked at a video copy of THE IMMORTAL STORY which I saw theatrically on first release and the colors are horrendous! So, I'm not showing it in class.

Hopefully, a DVD version is soon on the way?

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Postby Gus Moreno » Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:05 pm

Teaching Welles?!? How the #### does someone get a job like that?

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Postby Tony » Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:12 am

Tonyw:

Reconstructing Evil is on eBay right now; I would have bought it now, except I'm up in Canada, and its restricted to U.S. buyers.

Here's the URL:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws....51&rd=1

If I were you, I'd use the "Buy it now" option.

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Postby Tony » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:20 am

Here's a well-written article from today's Toronto Star by that paper's film critic, Geoff Pevere: some lines are memorable:

Touch of Evil borders on craziness

REAR VIEW | This must-have DVD for your library is darkly brilliant. Fat lot of good it did Orson Welles, though

Feb 04, 2007 04:30 AM
Geoff Pevere

TOUCH OF EVIL

(1958, Universal DVD)


Who made it?

By the time Touch of Evil was released in 1958, Orson Welles (1915-85) was 42 years old and already a longstanding U.S. media institution. A child prodigy who simultaneously stormed Broadway, the radio airwaves and Hollywood while still in his early 20s, he went from "boy wonder" to "exiled genius" within mere years of making his first film, the bravura all-American tragedy Citizen Kane (1941). Notorious for his ego, appetite, impetuousness and overwhelming talent, Welles became the most famous casualty of movie industry philistinism – and one-man metaphor for crucified artistry.

What's it about?

While visiting a Mexican border town with his wife (Janet Leigh), a Mexican-American narcotics investigator named Vargas (Charlton Heston) witnesses a murder caused by a bomb stowed in a car. Vargas investigates and runs afoul of the local police authority, an immense – and immensely corrupt – ex-alcoholic named Hank Quinlan (Welles). Convinced that Quinlan is planting evidence to frame an innocent man, Vargas begins probing the big man's own shadowy past and methodology. In the end, Quinlan's suspicions are proved right while his means are left suspended in murky moral limbo.

What's the context?

Welles' Hollywood exile was a decade along when he was offered the chance to make a movie of a drugstore potboiler called Badge of Evil. Initially contracted only to act – the lifelong means by which Welles' subsidized his filmmaking – he only got the directing gig at Heston's insistence. If the studio was wary of Welles' reputation as a pain-in-the-ass maverick, the fears were assuaged by the production, which ran on schedule and on budget. Then the editing began, and with it the predictable Wellesian struggle for creative autonomy. Universal hated his first cut (which it found confusing and needlessly arty) and insisted on changes. A new editor was imposed on the director, who withdrew to Mexico while Touch of Evil was not only recut and restructured but in some cases reshot – and not by Welles. By the time of the film's release, Welles had all but disavowed it. He would never work in that town again.

How was it received?

As per the already well-rehearsed scenario, Touch of Evil was hailed in Europe – where Welles had become the embodiment of the uncompromising auteur – and barely seen in America, where it was dumped with the graceless finality of Welles' bloated Quinlan sinking to oblivion in a polluted creek. Sometimes those who did see it detected something amiss. As Variety wrote: "There is insufficient orientation and far too little exposition, with the result that much of the action is confusing and difficult to relate the plot."

So what's the big deal?

Even in its much-molested original release version (there are now at least three Touch of Evils, the most widely available of which is a 1998 reconstruction based on Welles' original intentions), Touch of Evil attained the status of a classic: a dark, disorienting and utterly Wellesian plunge into a nightmare netherworld where nothing was certain and everything eventually got dirty. Plus it is so stylistically idiosyncratic – long takes, grotesque close-ups, overlapping sound and steep angles – that it verges on sheer craziness.

Most endlessly quotable line:

"He was some kind of man. What does it matter what you say about people?"

Most endlessly watchable scene?

The legendary opening three-minute crane shot, which follows the bomb-impregnated car as it crosses the border, passes Heston and Leigh, retreats into the background and explodes. I think the word for this is virtuoso.

Most cogent critical appreciation?

"Welles utilizes his bravura style so effectively that it cannot always be discerned which moments create the dramatic thrust of the film and which are simply full of sound and fury." (Blake Lucas and Tracey Thompson, Film Noir: An Encyclopedic Reference to the American Style.)

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Badge of Evil screenplay up for auction

Postby sierra » Wed May 14, 2014 5:18 pm

Albert Zugsmith's copy of the Badge of Evil screenplay will be up for auction in November. http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22196/. Maybe we'll get lucky and other Welles-related items will be added, so keep an eye on it!

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Re: Badge of Evil screenplay up for auction

Postby Viloura » Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:59 am

Sold for a little over $10,000.

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Dangerous Minds on "Touch of Evil"

Postby Wellesnet » Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:42 am

"Touch of Evil Finished Welles in Hollywood":
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/touc ... -Hollywood

Nice collections of pics too.

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Peter Bogdanovich Friend or foe?? (touch of evil)

Postby duke_mccloud » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:56 am

I recently read a very interesting article..

http://offscreen.com/view/touch_evil

It's an in depth analysis of Touch of Evil, however towards the end of the article it included a bit about Peter Bogdanovich interviewing Orson Welles at least asking him a question regarding the blind woman at the phone booth...


“Why did you put a blind woman in the scene where Heston [Vargas] is telephoning his wife?” Exasperated, Welles replied, “There isn’t anything to add to what’s on the screen. There is the kind of director who wants to explain, but I haven’t anything to say,” concluded Welles. “Why did you make her blind?” demanded Bogdanovich, still not satisfied. “Why not? I know that sounds uncooperative, but I’m just absolutely flummoxed by those sorts of questions, I don’t have a reply. If I were standing before the pearly gates and I had to tell why she was blind, I’d be stuck for an answer. I wasn't signaling something to the audience with it. I never am,” the filmmaker answered in all honesty. 


Then in his 58 page memo to Universal Pictures C.E.O. Ed Muhl, Orson states:

In the scene in the blind woman’s shop, I note with distress that the shot of Vargas at the telephone has been blown up [enlarged] in such a way as to eliminate the blind woman in the foreground. She was not there by accident. Her presence embarrasses Vargas and inhibits his phone conversation with Susan. This provides a curious note of minor tension which will be missed. Susan in the strange motel speaking with drowsy sexiness to her husband in the even more strange shop of the blind; his discomfort at the quiet, oddly attentive figure of the blind woman –these were elements in a rather carefully balanced little plan. It seems a shame to disrupt this simply because it struck someone that the woman sitting there is the foreground was rather peculiar. It was meant to be peculiar. If the dialogue between Susan and Mike was more significant, if vital [pro-filmic] plot points were being established, then, of course, the blind woman would be quite the wrong sort of distraction. As it is, she lends a special dimension to a scene which, on the face of it, advances our story not at all and must be perfectly routine.


Astonished, interviewer Bogdanovich gasped, “Why didn’t you give me that answer?” “That’s what you tell Eddie Muhl,” responded Welles with most embarrassment, “not Pierre di Bogdanovich.”

Thoughts??? Maybe he has some built up resentment and is keeping OSOTW out of reach?? Maybe they weren't as chummy as we thought?
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TOE's effect on mice

Postby Wellesnet » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:58 pm

Brain Researchers Screen ‘Touch of Evil’ For 35 Mice":
http://www.wellesnet.com/brain-research ... r-35-mice/

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Touch of Evil Opening Shot

Postby jbrooks » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:14 pm

Here's a question I've always had about the opening tracking shot of Touch of Evil. Is there an explanation for Heston and Leigh's movements after they have their passports checked by the border agent? Leigh pulls Heston across the street toward the building with apparent purpose. But then we see them turn 90 degrees and walk slowly in the same direction the car was heading. It appears that Heston may be pointing out the correct direction to Leigh before they start walking that way. But given the layout of the border crossing, it doesn't seem as though anyone could have been confused about the correct direction to walk. Is this just an awkward bit of blocking to get them where Welles wanted them to be for the close of the shot? Or is there some other explanation?

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Re: Touch of Evil Opening Shot

Postby Roger Ryan » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:48 pm

That's a good catch...and something I never noticed even though I've watched that shot dozens of times! There's a good reason for not noticing: while Vargas and Suzy are busy deciding which direction to walk, the focus of the screen action is on Linnekar and his mistress talking with the border guards (and this is what I've always paid attention to). The odd movement seems necessary to make the blocking work; Heston and Leigh can't be allowed to get too far ahead of the car or the tracking camera would have had to try and follow the car until it could stop again on the two leads, something that was probably technically impossible to execute gracefully. At the same time, Welles wouldn't have wanted the two stars to be prominent in the frame during the "there's a ticking noise in my head" exchange, so there was a good reason to have them move to the background of the shot. Also, where Heston and Leigh do end up places the edge of the building behind them at the left side of the frame - that building is the last one on the block before you would reach a cross street. Had Heston and Leigh walked further in that direction, it would have been necessary to dress and light another street.

Since Welles and his crew worked all night on this shot, it's possible that more logical blocking was tried then discarded. It appears that Suzy thinks she and her husband should go into the Customs & Immigration Office, but, as you pointed out, Vargas apparently disagrees and points in the direction they were originally heading. Perhaps dutiful Suzy remembered she had made a purchase in Mexico and thought she should clear it through customs whereas Vargas placed greater importance on getting that chocolate soda!

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Flixwise podcast on TOE with James Naremore

Postby Wellesnet » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:41 pm

Flixwise discussses "Touch of Evil" with Welles scholar James Naremore. 52 minutes:
http://flixwise.com/2017/01/31/ep-58-to ... -naremore/


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