Stranger (Roan) - A place to buy?

[Fredric]

I discovered that the Roan disc comes up on a director search for Welles at Deep Discount DVD:

http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com

I thought this DVD was out of print, so if this place can get them (Free Shipping, too), then maybe this info is worth it to some on this board.

Let me know if this worked or not.

[Jeff Wilson]

Deep Discount has some excellent prices on titles; I ordered the 11 disc Buster Keaton box set from them for $107, a savings of $90 off the regular price. Their selection isn't always the best, though.

[jaime marzol]

an 11 disc buster keaton set? my god, that sounds great. does it have a late keaton film, i think it's called THE RAILROADER? it's a short film, and there is a documentary about the making of it. also there is a killer documentary, 3 -hrs, AMERICAN MASTERS KEATON. i have it. it's great. the AMERICAN MASTERS CHAPLIN is tremendous, as is the AMERICAN MASTERS GRIFFITH, also 3-hrs, and the AMERICAN MASTERS SCORSESE. all worthy aditions. AMERICAN MASTERS documentaries are the best.

[Fredric]

The thing that looked nice about this site is that not only is the shipping free, but the Cirterion DVDs are the cheapest I've seen them:

Brazil: $42 (Haven't seen it for less than around $50)
Seven Samurai $28

Actually, I doin't think I've encountered a Criterion disc (single) for any less than $30.

Sounds delice.

[Cole]

I appreciate the info, Fredric. THE STRANGER is a movie I've only seen once. It was about 10 years ago, and I found nothing interesting about it at the time. I think I saw the colorized version of it. It was the first movie by Welles I saw, and it certainly didn't inspire me to see anymore of his films. But now that I have seen his other films, maybe I'd like it more - especially if it's in the original black and white. But would you (or anyone else) really recommend it? At best the reviews that I've read about it are luke warm, so I've never really considered trying to buy it. But I've looked for it at video stores in my area, and it's impossible to find. The price is fairly reasonable, and with free shipping I'll ponder the idea. Anyone want to put in a good sales pitch for THE STRANGER?

[ChristopherBanks]

Well, at the very least, Welles manages to out-Hitch Hitchcock for the ending...

[Jeff Wilson]

I don't think The Stranger is a great film, but it has some moments. It would have been more interesting had the footage excised from it remained, and even more so had Agnes Moorehead gotten the part of Wilson, instead of Edward G Robinson. It's Welles showing he could make a bankable film, and as such, it's worth seeing. It's more interesting for what isn't there, than what is, if that makes sense. Welles gives a pretty hammy performance, though.

[jaime marzol]

i recomend THE STRANGER. though it suffers from a few things, being a welles fan there is no way you are not going to enjoy it.

all of welles' films have points of interest reguardless of the struggle to make them. STRANGER is no different. it's eccentric, and has some wonderfull stuff in it.

you ask yourself, 'what could welles do with one hand tied behind his back, and sam speagle breathing down his neck?' that is THE STRANGER. I like it because it's a
dark movie with lots of shadows, fun to watch.

and yes, cbanks, that great comic book ending. welles wrote screenplay with huston, but the ending is his style. there was also a tribute to the stranger ending, in the ending of BATMAN

there is a john candy movie where he's a writer, gets hit on the head and wakes up in his own crappy screenplay. compare wilson's arrival in the stranger with the introduction of the town in the candy movie.

[Rick Schmidlin]

Ernest Nimms who was the head of post production for Ed Muhl at Universal dureing the 50's and "fixed" in 1957 TOE, he was the editor of "The Stranger". I met with him before he died and he said " I thought I could do for "Touch Of Evil for Orson what I did for "The Stranger, but it was not there." It was Nimms that I got most of my sound noted and the orig. memo and long with the shorter 12 memo ont he August screening that Welles sent Nov 7.

[jaime marzol]

i've always found it funny that guys with such undistinguished lists of credits, like vogel and nims, thought they could untangle the 'mess' welles made out of the film.

[Obssessed_with_Orson]

cole, if you've seen THE STRANGER in color, i don't think it was Mr. Welles version. i only know it to be in black and white.

i found out that it's easier recording from the movie channels than buying them, anyway.

i bought a copy of the stranger and the trial at a store. then found out later that they were cut versions. i recorded each movie from amercian movie classics, and they are the non-cut versions.

if you want, i'll send you the cut.

i'd rather keep the whole.

if you want to know what's on for each month, do Orson Welles on search, and look through the list of choices until it say current monthly schedule. the hours are different though. if you find a movie you want to record, look your t.v. guide to see when it will be on.

alot to go through just for a movie, huh? that's what i have to do. and i got some movies i thought i would never get.

as for movie reviews of THE STRANGER, i don't know if you noticed or not, but almost all of Mr. Welles's movie reviews come out negative.

and if you are an Orson Fan, buddy, :angry: you'd better like it

good luck.

[Rick Schmidlin]

i've always found it funny that guys with such undistinguished lists of credits, like vogel and nims, thought they could untangle the 'mess' welles made out of the film.

In regards to Nimms createing a mess with TOE that is as fact but he a pretty editor in his day, he just made a wrong turn in 1957.

Ernest J. Nims

Page 1 of 10Date of birth (location)
15 November 1908,
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date of death (details)
28 April 2000

Editor - filmography
(1940s) (1930s)

1. Temptation (1946) (as Ernest Nims)
2. Dark Mirror, The (1946) (as Ernest Nims)
3. Stranger, The (1946) (as Ernest Nims)
4. Tomorrow Is Forever (1946) (as Ernest Nims)
5. It's a Pleasure (1945) (as Ernest Nims)
6. Belle of the Yukon (1944) (as Ernest Nims)
7. Man from Frisco (1944) (as Ernest Nims)
8. Casanova in Burlesque (1944) (as Ernest Nims)
9. In Old Oklahoma (1943) (as Ernest Nims)
... aka War of the Wildcats (1944) (UK)
10. Nobody's Darling (1943) (as Ernest Nims)
11. West Side Kid (1943) (as Ernest Nims)
12. Someone to Remember (1943) (as Ernest Nims)
13. Chatterbox (1943) (as Ernest Nims)
14. Flying Tigers (1942) (as Ernest Nims)
15. Girl from Alaska (1942)
16. Sleepytime Gal (1942)
17. Lady for a Night (1941) (as Ernest Nims)
18. Mercy Island (1941)
19. Pittsburgh Kid, The (1941)
20. Rags to Riches (1941)
21. Puddin' Head (1941)
... aka Judy Goes to Town (1941) (UK)
22. Country Fair (1941)
23. Sis Hopkins (1941)
24. Arkansas Judge (1941)
... aka False Witness (1941) (UK)
25. Behind the News (1940)
26. Meet the Missus (1940)
27. Melody and Moonlight (1940)
28. Earl of Puddlestone (1940)
... aka Jolly Old Higgins (1940) (UK)
29. Scatterbrain (1940)
30. Wagons Westward (1940)
31. Crooked Road, The (1940)
32. Tear Gas Squad (1940) (uncredited)
... aka State Cop (1940)
33. In Old Missouri (1940)
34. Forgotten Girls (1940)
35. Wolf of New York (1940)


36. Thou Shalt Not Kill (1939)
37. Jeepers Creepers (1939/I)
... aka Money Isn't Everything (1939) (UK)
38. Calling All Marines (1939)
39. Smuggled Cargo (1939)
40. She Married a Cop (1939)
41. S.O.S. Tidal Wave (1939)
42. My Wife's Relatives (1939)
43. Street of Missing Men (1939)
44. Woman Doctor (1939)
45. Fighting Thoroughbreds (1939)
46. I Stand Accused (1939)
47. Orphans of the Street (1938)
48. Night Hawk, The (1938)
49. Desperate Adventure, A (1938)
... aka It Happened in Paris (1938) (UK)
50. Ladies in Distress (1938)
51. Higgins Family, The (1938)
52. King of the Newsboys (1938)
53. Outside of Paradise (1938)
54. Manhattan Merry-Go-Round (1937)
... aka Manhattan Music Box (1937) (UK)
55. Youth on Parole (1937)
56. Sheik Steps Out, The (1937)
57. It Could Happen to You (1937)
58. Hit Parade of 1937 (1937) (as Ernest Nims)
... aka Hit Parade, The (1937)
... aka I'll Pick a Star (1937) (reissue title)
... aka I'll Reach for a Star (1937) (USA: TV title)
59. Two Wise Maids (1937)
60. Join the Marines (1937)
61. Beware of Ladies (1936)
62. Country Gentlemen (1936) (as Ernest Nims)
63. Follow Your Heart (1936)
64. Bridge of Sighs (1936)
65. Angelina o el honor de un brigadier (1935)
... aka Angelina (1935) (informal short title)
66. Fronteras del amor, Las (1934)
... aka Love's Frontiers (1934)
67. Capitan de Cosacos, Un (1934[quote]

[Rick Schmidlin]

Here are Virgil W. Vogel's credits for fun.


29 November 1919
Date of death
1 January 1996,
Tarzana, California, USA
Mini biography


Filmography as: Director, Editor
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Director - filmography
(1990s) (1980s) (1970s) (1960s) (1950s)

1. "One West Waikiki" (1994) TV Series
2. "Walker, Texas Ranger" (1993) TV Series (episode "One Riot, One Ranger (1993)")
3. Mario and the Mob (1992) (TV)


4. "Hardball" (1989) TV Series
5. "Young Riders, The" (1989) TV Series
6. "Quantum Leap" (1989) TV Series
7. "Probe" (1988) TV Series (episode "Plan 10 From Outer Space")
8. Longarm (1988) (TV)
... aka Showdown in Silver City (1988) (TV)
9. Desperado (1987) (TV)
10. Condor (1986) (TV)
11. "Spenser: For Hire" (1985) TV Series
12. "Lady Blue" (1985) TV Series
13. "Street Hawk" (1985) TV Series
14. "Miami Vice" (1984) TV Series
15. "Airwolf" (1984) TV Series (7 episodes)
... aka "Lobo del aire" (1984) (USA: Spanish title)
16. "Scarecrow and Mrs. King" (1983) TV Series (episode "Tail of the Dancing Weasel")
17. "Voyagers!" (1982) TV Series (episodes "Created Equal", "Bully and Billy")
18. "Knight Rider" (1982) TV Series
19. "Tales of the Gold Monkey" (1982) TV Series
20. Today's F.B.I. (1981) (TV)
21. "Magnum, P.I." (1980) TV Series (5 episodes)
22. "Beulah Land" (1980) (mini) TV Series (replaced due to heart attack)
23. Portrait of a Rebel: The Remarkable Mrs. Sanger (1980) (TV)
... aka Portrait of a Rebel: Margaret Sanger (1980) (TV)
24. Power (1980) (TV)


25. No Margin for Error (1978) (TV)
26. Rag Tag Champs, The (1978) (TV)
27. "White Shadow, The" (1978) TV Series
28. "David Cassidy - Man Undercover" (1978) TV Series
29. "Centennial" (1978) (mini) TV Series (parts 1,2,6,7,12)
30. "Man from Atlantis, The" (1977) TV Series
31. "Fantastic Journey, The" (1977) TV Series
32. Law of the Land (1976) (TV)
... aka Deputies, The (1976) (TV) (USA)
33. "Bert D'Angelo/Superstar" (1976) TV Series
34. Cop on the Beat (1975) (TV)
... aka Return of Joe Forrester, The (1975) (TV)
35. "Caribe" (1975) TV Series
36. "Police Woman" (1974/I) TV Series
37. "Six Million Dollar Man, The" (1974) TV Series
38. "Police Story" (1973) TV Series
39. "Barnaby Jones" (1973) TV Series
40. "Streets of San Francisco, The" (1972) TV Series
41. "Cannon" (1971) TV Series
42. Double Jeopardy (1970) (TV)
... aka Dan August: Once Is Not Enough (1970) (TV)
43. "Dan August" (1970) TV Series


44. "Lancer" (1968) TV Series
45. "High Chaparral, The" (1967) TV Series (episodes "Trail to Nevermore (1969)", "New Hostess in Town (1970)", "Too Many Chiefs (1970)")
46. "Mission: Impossible" (1966) TV Series
47. "Honey West" (1965) TV Series
48. Sword of Ali Baba, The (1965)
49. "Big Valley, The" (1965) TV Series (forty-nine episodes)
50. "Overland Trail" (1960) TV Series (episode "Perilous Passage")
... aka "Overland Stage" (1960)


51. "Bonanza" (1959) TV Series
... aka "Ponderosa" (1972) (USA: rerun title)
52. Rymdinvasion i Lappland (1959)
... aka Horror in the Midnight Sun (1959)
... aka Invasion of the Animal People, The (1962) (USA: US version)
... aka Space Invasion from Lapland (1959)
... aka Space Invasion of Lapland (1959)
53. Land Unknown, The (1957)
54. "Wagon Train" (1957) TV Series
... aka "Major Adams, Trail Master" (1957)
55. Kettles on Old MacDonald's Farm, The (1957)
56. Mole People, The (1956) (as Virgil V

[jaime marzol]

yeah, i saw those lists at www.imdb.com, very unimpressive. it's quite sad that dregs like nims, vogel, jack arnold, harry keller, and zugsmith were inside looking out, and welles was outside looking in.

i have mentioned it several times here, the book PICTURE gives a very eye opening view of what it took to work in the studio system. basically, you needed to be a company man, and you had to kiss lots of ass.

[Rick Schmidlin]

This is the way the stdio system was and to these daze still is. If you look at any Welles studio picture at the time you will find different talents. It is part of the movie makeing practice. Today in some departments much worse. I sat with Nimms for an entire day and talked. He took the work he could get because he he had a boy in a iron lung, which he told me was the first to ever be in a personal home. He really thought he was Wellres friend and Welles notes to hime shore a strong relationship, I woluld never consider a hack, just a studio yes man,,,,and for reason.