1. Joe Biden tells one person that he's full of shit..... next thing you know, we're out of toilet paper.
2. If you don't like stores running out of basic necessities, you're not going to like Socialism or Communism.
3. I will lie down to sleep tonight a changed man, and hope that the nightmares are minimal. What I saw today was a horror, and I have lost what little faith I had in humanity. Yes, my wife Mary had me laughing at one point, but I think I laughed to keep from crying. I think she did that because she saw what was happening to me…….. and I love her all the more for it.
Empty, decimated store shelves – something I have never seen in my lifetime, and never thought that I would. We carried on throughout our day, going to various stores for things we wanted (or needed) to buy. My sadness and rage got a little worse with each visit.
I am not pleased about it, but I will never be the person that I was when I left the house this morning. To those that participated in the unnecessary hoarding and destruction……… Lord help you.
a. Self centered and no regard for faith. I have not ventured to the store since this debacle began. But none of this is a surprise at all. At least in a pack of wolves there is honor. I cannot say the same for humans anymore. Funny thing is we were just out to dinner with friends and shit Billy, there were a ton of people out and about. Seems like the only one's worried about this fucking facade are the socialist incubators that don't have a clue that this is the world they think they want. Dumb asses.
4. My motivation for preparation and defense used to be a tyrannical government.....then, on March 12th and 13th, "We the People" showed up at the stores. How could I have been so blind? New game now.
5. After witnessing the condition of retail stores on March 14, 2020, I question whether or not the "people" of America really deserve a President like Donald Trump.
6. So now, we're just kicking some dirt over "it"? People on Facebook and Twitter are tired of hearing about "it" and trying to change the subject and do fun and happy crap? Nonsense. Between the MSM and SM, the situation that we are in has been brought to a frenzy - and we need to face "it" and deal with "it".The venerable "people" in this society allowed this, and now we must face what is ahead. Take your head out of the sand, grow up and realize that the seeds have been sown, and here is the growth - like it or not.
I've vented a lot over the past couple of days.......probably more than I deserve........ so I'll leave you with a thought: If you cannot or will not change things for the better, who will?
P.S.- "it" refers to the nasty of your choice, be it politics, coronavirus, global warming.......
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7. It's a giant hoax. I believe the number of people infected vastly exceeds the current detection rates, having the effect of massively skewing the mortality rates to the upside. Most dismiss it as the common cold or flu and never get tested. For all I know this is exactly what I had in January long before testing was available. This is nothing but the common flu with a slightly different version of the flu virus. Amazing how gullible people are these days. They can be convinced to believe anything!
8. ObamaCommie-crat strategists -- Impeachment flopped. Let's try mass virus hysteria. And kill the economy.
9. It will backfire on them just like the rest. That being said. We should not dismiss the threat of the Wuhan Virus but should dismiss the panic and hysteria.
10. I am a democrat and understand the Italy has a population that is 25% 65 and over so of course they are going to have more issues. This so over hyped and the as a democrat I am ashamed of my party for making this about politics. Oh and by the way if you watch CNN, MSNBC, NBC , ABC or CBS you are in a bubble also.
11. I tried to reply to that nimrod's post...with this...
"So....the way Trump has been handling it doesn't suit you? So..tell me...what would you do? How would you handle it? Specifically....what measures would you take to stop it? Would you force 330 million people to line up to be tested? Would you create concentration camps for those who test positive...or who refuse to be tested? So....tell me....what would you do?"
I was informed that his post was removed.
In 2009/10 Obama declared an emergency AFTER 1000 people died from the swine flu. The media kissed his ass and praised him for it. Today, the media is in a feeding frenzy stoking fear and hysteria over something that 99% of people who do get it survive. Those ghouls are nothing more than carrion eaters....
12. Italy has the oldest population in all of Europe, and their government-run medical care is simply horrid. NWO globalist lucifarians culling the herd!
a. You are leaving out a very large piece of the puzzle with Italy, regardless of the boot selection in your closet. Italy has over 323,000 native Chinese living there. Remember a couple of years ago when the Italians sold the operation of their ports to the Chinese? THAT is the piece of the puzzle you left out. and all of this started breaking out in Italy and Iran about the same time and for the same reason. Right after the Chinese new year, when they all started returning, and right after Peking decided they had had enough with the Hong Kong protests.
13. No coincidence Italy got rid of Salvini . The Italian Trump.
Now this. No coincidences, folks! They're reaping what they've sown!
14. Truth. Isn't it amazing how this virus targets the elderly...right along with their assisted suicide plans! Now, couple in the abortion and they've got the pop under control! Simple! And tank the economy for the rest.
15. Don’t forget Erdogan (president of Turkey) opening the gates to Europe. All part of the plan !
16. Because of the dishonesty of the media it’s difficult to know what to believe. I believe the MSM needs to be held accountable for all the hysteria and panic, just sicking they get away with this BS. Other countries are shutting down. Where do you think they are getting their news from? The same enemies of the people no matter the language or nationality. News designed to make you stupid and panic and give your rights away to global government. The "new world order" people actually live all around the world so they're all on the same agenda just speak different languages. The countries and areas particularly affected are the ones recently having an open borders policy, particularly with China.
17. People die from any flu, that is what this is a frigging flu. calling it a virus only panics people. No one is denying it can kill it just doesn't kill all who get it like the left would have you think. 300,000 were hospitalized and something like 60 million got the swine flu in the US alone and I don't remember the market crashing or any state limiting the number of people that can gather in one place. barry didn't call it an emergency until over 1000 people died. This is a political motivated crises to deny that is as stupid as saying the Russians stole the election from the Hilldabeast.
a. It is not a FLU, because it is not from the influenza virus family. It is a virus, but has more in common with SARS,MERS, and the Common Cold than the flu.It should be called WERs.
b. The 2009 flu pandemic or swine flu was an influenza pandemic that lasted from early 2009 to late 2010, and the
second of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus, albeit a new strain.Wikipedia
They all attack the respiratory system. As you can see here this swine flu is a virus. But they called it a flu not a virus, because a Democrat was in office.
18. But demoncrap Pelosi wants to STOP the travel ban for the European Union! They hate US! They want open borders everywhere so we citizens can all die out and newly minted, illegal aliens transformed into "citizens" that can be tax farmed, and credit card debt farmed and election farmed.
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Gregg Frey
Uh huh...... that one is as good as the "stock market crash" meme.....
Mike Teal
Have you checked the stock market lately?
Gregg Frey
Yes sir. What you're failing to realize is that we had record gains for 3+ years. One Chinese virus launch and liberal panic temporarily wiped out those 3+ great years. Which was the objective to begin with.
Mike Teal
Launch?
Gregg Frey
Yes sir. That is a term used when something is released rapidly.
Mike Teal
I thought you may have meant it was launched deliberately, which is something I've read from more than one paranoid conservative online.
Gregg Frey
It was deliberate. Look at the timeline from when the U.S. tightened and balanced the trade, then when the Chinese economy tanked, and how they've responded. This was a deliberate attempt by the Chinese to negatively impact our economy. Thanks to the liberal media and those in the Congress, it worked like a charm!! I deal with the Chinese every day.... I'm not kidding you. I could tell you stories that would make your toenails curl, believe me.
Here's a sample of the shit I'm talking about....... I used to work for Motorola, and I worked for Hytera for a short while as well.
https://urgentcomm.com/2020/03/09/764-m ... 8JbR1UfA9A
Gregg Frey
Hopefully you read the entire article - and there is much more to it that has been suppressed. I'm telling you, Mike, these are brutal people, man. I know you and I were brought up in similar fashion, and I like to think the best of people, as you do - but as a Veteran, and a civilian with a LOT of experience with the Chinese..... I can speak with fairly sound authority.
Mike Teal
Yes, I read it Gregg. I have no doubt the Chinese are guilty of many acts of intellectual property theft, but it's something else to assert they have killed over 3,000 of their own people in order to attack the U.S. economy. But I'm not an expert on any of this stuff, and I try to keep an open mind, so thanks for the opinions and info. If you don't mind my asking, in what capacity have you dealt with the Chinese? Also, if they are so evil, why deal with them?
Gregg Frey
I'm in the commercial radio business, as I have been since 1989, when I started with Motorola. They have been actively trying to compete in the industry since about that 1997. I worked for Hytera for a brief period, and learned of their ways, of course. Now, as an independent dealer, I am inundated with their product offering, and have elected not to offer their product as a primary for a multitude of reasons. I believe that their presence in the market is somewhat solidified, but I still have the choice to minimize it (for now). As for dealing with them going forward...... probably not.
Corona
Re: Corona
Our Plague Year
We must heed the logic of rationality and science—but also the logic captured by artists, poets, and storytellers.
FEBRUARY 29, 2020
Eliot Cohen
“Everybody knows that pestilences have a way of recurring in the world; yet somehow we find it hard to believe in ones that crash down on our heads from a blue sky. There have been as many plagues as wars in history; yet always plagues and wars take people equally by surprise.”
Thus Albert Camus in The Plague. We, too, now find ourselves surprised by pestilence, dancing a dance that feels both strange and familiar—the early disquieting cases; the assurances by authority that the initial outbreak has been contained; the spread by individuals who can, however, be tracked and isolated; the imposition of quarantines; the realization that some of the initial statistics were too low because of flawed counting rules; the realization that the ailment may not, in fact, be containable; and the first tremors of public apprehension turning to fear, and in some cases panic.
Anyone in a position of authority—running a school, a business, or an organization—turns to experts at moments like this. We attempt to absorb the information from epidemiologists who know what they are talking about. They speak of morbidity and mortality rates, of R naught (the basic reproduction number, or how many individuals a victim may infect), of the little-known mortality of the annual flu season, and of the futility of face masks as a means of avoiding COVID-19, which is the correct and emotionally neutral term for the disease caused by the virus. The scientists build tracking maps and model future spread; they announce trials of vaccines and make rational recommendations for social distancing and, of course, hand-washing.
Their cool balance, which must inform any decision making, rests on a logic of rationality and science. And one must heed it. Yet one must also heed a very different logic, the one captured by artists, poets, and storytellers.
In “The Masque of the Red Death,” Edgar Allan Poe tells the tale of Prince Prospero, “happy and dauntless and sagacious,” who, as the Red Death sweeps his dominions, gathers his closest friends into his magnificent castle, which he then seals off from the outside world. All manner of supplies have been stockpiled, all manner of entertainments prepared, and, for a time, all is well. The prince stages a masked ball in his eccentrically designed palace; the partying is exuberant, until the guests note that one of their members has made a tasteless joke. “Shrouded from head to foot in the habiliments of the grave,” his mask that of a corpse dabbled with blood, he has appeared as the Red Death. The crowd, now a mob, turns on and pursues the figure, who vanishes, leaving only the shroud—as the revelers, Prince Prospero first among them, fall to the plague. “And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.”
The coronavirus will not be as bad as that, we can be quite sure, but what Poe—and, in a different way, Camus and many others—captured is the logic of fear and dread that is also part of an epidemic. And that logic is ignored at our peril too. Walk through crowded airports, and you will see useless masks adorning the faces of people who are undoubtedly quite well. Talk to chief executives, and they will tell you of stockpiling vitamin C and canceling all foreign travel. Meet a cosmopolitan friend, and he will embarrassedly refuse to shake hands, preferring to wai, Thai style (a palm-to-palm salute), or put his right hand to his heart (Arabic style), or simply bump elbows (an American innovation).
Read: How to misinform yourself about the coronavirus
The statistics about the relatively low mortality rates of the coronavirus, the more ominous term that normal people use, and the unquestionably more deadly toll to date of the common flu are undoubtedly true, and in some measure beside the point. The technocratic impulse is to damp down unreasoning fear with an antiseptic spray of statistics, or if that fails, simply to shrug one’s shoulders and dismiss the foolish anxieties of ignorant people. Neither will quite do the job.
Why do we fear the coronavirus more than the common flu? Perhaps because even if we fail to get our annual flu shot, we know that such a thing exists. And even if one side of our brain knows that the cocktail that goes into this year’s vaccine is a gamble on the part of the pharmaceutical companies, which may be more or less effective, the other side is saying: The threat is, if not under control, controllable. The coronavirus, like the plague of old, does not feel that way. It does not feel controllable, because it is not. Indeed, the main resort seems to be a centuries-, perhaps millennia-old response: quarantine. And even that proves leaky in an age of ever-expanding travel and human contact.
We live in an era when the masters of Big Data, be they in corporations or political campaigns, know an appallingly large amount about each and every one of us: our tastes, our prejudices, our aversions, our vulnerable points. They spend a great deal of effort on manipulating us, apparently with success. There are social scientists who believe that this data can and indeed should be used to nudge us into healthy or commendable forms of behavior. And in an era of ubiquitous facial-recognition software, we are all, in some measure, perpetually under surveillance.
But somehow, the plague creeps in behind the precisely targeted Facebook ads, and human beings must confront the limits of their ability to control events, and the primordial fear that a friend—or worse, a loved one—could, in an invisible and wholly unintended way, cause our deaths. Governments and businesses that pride themselves on their ability to exert control are at the mercy of individuals who have incentives to misrepresent the truth or temporarily suppress it. Face a population fearful of epidemic, and you face, potentially, an angry and uncontrollable mob.
The coronavirus can bring ugly deaths, and has done so to some of the doctors and nurses attempting to contain it. It is nothing like the real plague, with blackened buboes and excruciating death agonies. But it is scary enough, and if it’s true that the mortality rate is 2 percent, or even half that, and if the hasty quarantines being thrown up everywhere fail to work, the chances are that many of us will know someone who dies from it.
In our rational, technocratic way, we will of course find countermeasures and even celebrate them as accelerators of progress. Schools and businesses are learning how to exploit teleconferencing in ways that will improve our ability to teach and work together in cyberspace, which is a good thing. We are all learning (the hard way, admittedly) about the vulnerability of global supply chains, and will make them more resilient in the coming months and years. And there is nothing like a good scare to improve one’s institutional contingency planning for the next time, as the British government discovered after the Munich crisis of 1938.
All true, and all necessary. But as we react to this problem with the tools of medical science and dispassionate thought, we should periodically check ourselves—not so much for fever, but for the arrogance of Prince Prospero, and for the illusion of control that set him and his guests up for a ghastly end. The truth is, we live in the midst of multiple plagues—after all, it is considered a good thing when your tweet “goes viral.” We would be wisest if we could react to all those plagues with the unillusioned heroic calm of Camus’ hero Dr. Rieux, who has “no idea what’s awaiting me, or what will happen when all this ends,” and who will simply go about his business of curing those he can, and comforting those he cannot.
We must heed the logic of rationality and science—but also the logic captured by artists, poets, and storytellers.
FEBRUARY 29, 2020
Eliot Cohen
“Everybody knows that pestilences have a way of recurring in the world; yet somehow we find it hard to believe in ones that crash down on our heads from a blue sky. There have been as many plagues as wars in history; yet always plagues and wars take people equally by surprise.”
Thus Albert Camus in The Plague. We, too, now find ourselves surprised by pestilence, dancing a dance that feels both strange and familiar—the early disquieting cases; the assurances by authority that the initial outbreak has been contained; the spread by individuals who can, however, be tracked and isolated; the imposition of quarantines; the realization that some of the initial statistics were too low because of flawed counting rules; the realization that the ailment may not, in fact, be containable; and the first tremors of public apprehension turning to fear, and in some cases panic.
Anyone in a position of authority—running a school, a business, or an organization—turns to experts at moments like this. We attempt to absorb the information from epidemiologists who know what they are talking about. They speak of morbidity and mortality rates, of R naught (the basic reproduction number, or how many individuals a victim may infect), of the little-known mortality of the annual flu season, and of the futility of face masks as a means of avoiding COVID-19, which is the correct and emotionally neutral term for the disease caused by the virus. The scientists build tracking maps and model future spread; they announce trials of vaccines and make rational recommendations for social distancing and, of course, hand-washing.
Their cool balance, which must inform any decision making, rests on a logic of rationality and science. And one must heed it. Yet one must also heed a very different logic, the one captured by artists, poets, and storytellers.
In “The Masque of the Red Death,” Edgar Allan Poe tells the tale of Prince Prospero, “happy and dauntless and sagacious,” who, as the Red Death sweeps his dominions, gathers his closest friends into his magnificent castle, which he then seals off from the outside world. All manner of supplies have been stockpiled, all manner of entertainments prepared, and, for a time, all is well. The prince stages a masked ball in his eccentrically designed palace; the partying is exuberant, until the guests note that one of their members has made a tasteless joke. “Shrouded from head to foot in the habiliments of the grave,” his mask that of a corpse dabbled with blood, he has appeared as the Red Death. The crowd, now a mob, turns on and pursues the figure, who vanishes, leaving only the shroud—as the revelers, Prince Prospero first among them, fall to the plague. “And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.”
The coronavirus will not be as bad as that, we can be quite sure, but what Poe—and, in a different way, Camus and many others—captured is the logic of fear and dread that is also part of an epidemic. And that logic is ignored at our peril too. Walk through crowded airports, and you will see useless masks adorning the faces of people who are undoubtedly quite well. Talk to chief executives, and they will tell you of stockpiling vitamin C and canceling all foreign travel. Meet a cosmopolitan friend, and he will embarrassedly refuse to shake hands, preferring to wai, Thai style (a palm-to-palm salute), or put his right hand to his heart (Arabic style), or simply bump elbows (an American innovation).
Read: How to misinform yourself about the coronavirus
The statistics about the relatively low mortality rates of the coronavirus, the more ominous term that normal people use, and the unquestionably more deadly toll to date of the common flu are undoubtedly true, and in some measure beside the point. The technocratic impulse is to damp down unreasoning fear with an antiseptic spray of statistics, or if that fails, simply to shrug one’s shoulders and dismiss the foolish anxieties of ignorant people. Neither will quite do the job.
Why do we fear the coronavirus more than the common flu? Perhaps because even if we fail to get our annual flu shot, we know that such a thing exists. And even if one side of our brain knows that the cocktail that goes into this year’s vaccine is a gamble on the part of the pharmaceutical companies, which may be more or less effective, the other side is saying: The threat is, if not under control, controllable. The coronavirus, like the plague of old, does not feel that way. It does not feel controllable, because it is not. Indeed, the main resort seems to be a centuries-, perhaps millennia-old response: quarantine. And even that proves leaky in an age of ever-expanding travel and human contact.
We live in an era when the masters of Big Data, be they in corporations or political campaigns, know an appallingly large amount about each and every one of us: our tastes, our prejudices, our aversions, our vulnerable points. They spend a great deal of effort on manipulating us, apparently with success. There are social scientists who believe that this data can and indeed should be used to nudge us into healthy or commendable forms of behavior. And in an era of ubiquitous facial-recognition software, we are all, in some measure, perpetually under surveillance.
But somehow, the plague creeps in behind the precisely targeted Facebook ads, and human beings must confront the limits of their ability to control events, and the primordial fear that a friend—or worse, a loved one—could, in an invisible and wholly unintended way, cause our deaths. Governments and businesses that pride themselves on their ability to exert control are at the mercy of individuals who have incentives to misrepresent the truth or temporarily suppress it. Face a population fearful of epidemic, and you face, potentially, an angry and uncontrollable mob.
The coronavirus can bring ugly deaths, and has done so to some of the doctors and nurses attempting to contain it. It is nothing like the real plague, with blackened buboes and excruciating death agonies. But it is scary enough, and if it’s true that the mortality rate is 2 percent, or even half that, and if the hasty quarantines being thrown up everywhere fail to work, the chances are that many of us will know someone who dies from it.
In our rational, technocratic way, we will of course find countermeasures and even celebrate them as accelerators of progress. Schools and businesses are learning how to exploit teleconferencing in ways that will improve our ability to teach and work together in cyberspace, which is a good thing. We are all learning (the hard way, admittedly) about the vulnerability of global supply chains, and will make them more resilient in the coming months and years. And there is nothing like a good scare to improve one’s institutional contingency planning for the next time, as the British government discovered after the Munich crisis of 1938.
All true, and all necessary. But as we react to this problem with the tools of medical science and dispassionate thought, we should periodically check ourselves—not so much for fever, but for the arrogance of Prince Prospero, and for the illusion of control that set him and his guests up for a ghastly end. The truth is, we live in the midst of multiple plagues—after all, it is considered a good thing when your tweet “goes viral.” We would be wisest if we could react to all those plagues with the unillusioned heroic calm of Camus’ hero Dr. Rieux, who has “no idea what’s awaiting me, or what will happen when all this ends,” and who will simply go about his business of curing those he can, and comforting those he cannot.
Re: Corona
The Corona virus will come and go. But the government will NEVER forget how easy it was to take control of your life. To control every sporting event, classroom, restaurant table and church pew. And even if you are allowed to leave your house.
This virus has proved that the entire world can be easily manipulated through fear by controlling media, academia, and medicine.
In times of crisis & dire needs, the evil sowers know we are at our weakest & most vulnerable. We need to connect, communicate & be responsible members of our society, our community, our country! There are things going on around us, we should be aware of!
What we as all citizens of this country should do, is to know what's going on, we should not let a few political leaders & billionaires have monopoly of conversation about what is best for our country, that we should stay vigilant, esp. liberals have their billionaire leaders like Soros, Gates, Bezos, Oprah, Google & FB who can influence our children & grandchildren's future. That happened in Germany when Hitler silenced his opposition & parents & before they know it, he had complete control of Germany's youths & the whole country.
This virus has proved that the entire world can be easily manipulated through fear by controlling media, academia, and medicine.
In times of crisis & dire needs, the evil sowers know we are at our weakest & most vulnerable. We need to connect, communicate & be responsible members of our society, our community, our country! There are things going on around us, we should be aware of!
What we as all citizens of this country should do, is to know what's going on, we should not let a few political leaders & billionaires have monopoly of conversation about what is best for our country, that we should stay vigilant, esp. liberals have their billionaire leaders like Soros, Gates, Bezos, Oprah, Google & FB who can influence our children & grandchildren's future. That happened in Germany when Hitler silenced his opposition & parents & before they know it, he had complete control of Germany's youths & the whole country.
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