OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND - John Huston on making the film

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OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND - John Huston on making the film

Postby ToddBaesen » Fri Nov 30, 2001 2:34 am

Here's John Huston's chapter on OSOTW from his autiobiography. It sounds to me like he approved of the film, although somebody mentioned he was trying to keep the film from ever being shown - seems unlikely if, as Bogdanovich claimed, he gave the performance of his career.

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I think it was in 1969, during the filming of THE KREMLIN LETTER that Orson Welles asked me to play the lead in a picture he was going to direct. He'd had the idea for some time—-now he was going to write the script. "I think I'm going to call it THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND. How do you like that for a title?"

"Very Good."

"Will it be possible for you to star in about six months?"

I told him that we could certainly work something out, but six months went by and I heard nothing more. It must have been at least a year later that I learned that Orson was filming a picture called THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND. I shrugged it off, thinking the picture had taken a different turn, and Orson had had seconds thoughts about me. He was reportedly in Switzerland shooting scenes with Lilli Palmer. But a short time later he phoned me.

"John, will it be possible for you to start in about six weeks?"

"Sure."

"Good. I'll send you the script right away."

"But, Orson, I understand you've been shooting already."

"Yes…yes… I've been shooting the scenes your aren't in, and the other half of the scenes you are in."

"How's that?"

"Well…for instance, with Lilli Palmer… I'm shooting her half of scenes in which she has conversations with you . I'll do your half later."

"Jesus, Orson, I've never heard of anything like that!"

"Oh, yes, it will work perfectly. I'll get the script to you right away."

That was the last I heard of the project for another year or two.

I was out in California when the director Peter Bogdanovich, a great champion of Orson's, called me. He said that Orson was going to shoot my scenes in Arizona and, if I could make it, Orson would lay plans accordingly. I said, "Well, I still haven't seen the script."

"As a matter of fact, there isn't any script. There's a kind of outline. Does it make all that much difference to you whether you see a script or not?"

"Not really."

"John, a lot of it is done right on the spot. You know how Orson is."

I'm of the school that believes you should proceed regardless of the script if you have faith in a director. I confess to being a little sensitive when I ask an actor to do something and he say, "Show me the script." He has every right, of course, but still l like the idea of an actor putting himself entirely in the director's hands.

I proceeded to do so, reporting in accordance with this latest schedule, and found an entire company living in a motel outside of Scottsdale. Orson received me with open arms and a great show of affection. I'm very fond of Orson. l have enormous admiration for him as an actor and a director, and the figure he cuts delight me. Here he was in a full-length purple bathrobe, and I don't think I ever saw him outside that bathrobe the whole time we were filming. It was a regal color, befitting Orson, and, sans crown, he was indeed majestic.

Orson was smoking the big cigars, and the wine was flowing. I don't mean there was any dissipation; quite the contrary. But it was a convivial affair. There were two handmaidens with Orson. One was acting in the film, and the other was a Jill-of-all-trades. These two put the lunches together, as well as the midnight suppers when we went on shooting into the night at a big house Orson has rented in the nearby town of Carefree. There were a number of cameras in evidence. Orson has a first cameraman and a second and a third, but I very quickly discovered that Orson was really the first cameraman himself. By the same token, he was his own gaffer. There were electricians around, but Orson placed the lights. There was a sound man whom Orson showed how he wanted the mixing done.

Orson had come up with an ingenious idea. It was to tell the story through cameras being held in the hands of persons being filmed by the major cameras. The plot concerns a director (my role in the film) who comes to the end of his rope. Orson denied that it was autobiographical in any way, nor was it biographical as far as I was concerned. There was indeed no script. Orson gave me a few pages containing several long speeches, but he said not to be concerned about learning them. When the time came, he would just write them on a blackboard behind the camera and I could read them. But while I'm not all that good at memorizing, I still believe that actors should know their lines. Orson saw me later studying these speeches on the set. "John, you're just causing yourself unnecessary agony. Just read the lines or forget them and say what you please. The idea is all that matters." Things were somewhat complicated by the fact that during the filming I'd be saying them to a stand-in Orson instead of to Lilli Palmer, who was far away in Switzerland.

Most of the action took place during a big party to celebrate the director's birthday. It was attended by news cameramen, reporters, and people with whom he had long been associated. The whole purpose of the occasion was to pin down the financing for a three-quarters-finished picture, a situation that did put me in mind of Orson himself. There was always a camera on the director during the course of the festivities. They follow him everywhere, even into the toilet. It's through these various cameras—what they see—that the story is told. The changes from one to another—color, black and white, still, and moving—make for a dazzling variety of effects.

Orson's next-door neighbor turned out to be a drunk who didn't quite know what was going on but suspected some kind of orgy. He appeared periodically and threatened everyone, and even once brought the police in. They recognized Orson and me and were duly respectful. Leading the gentleman from next door back to his own premises. After that he stood in his own driveway, shaking his fist and swearing at us. It added an appropriately bizarre note.

Orson ran out of cigars. I was a cigar-smoker, too, and though mine were not quite as big, full-bodied and rich as Orson's Havanas, he was reduced to smoking them. It crossed my mind that maybe Orson was also running out of money. The fleeting thought later proved to have substance. The inflow of funds for the picture was from Spain and Iran, and the Spanish leg man absconded with a vast sum. Undoubtedly shaken, but undaunted, Orson plowed on.

It was a delight working with him. Sometimes the scene being shot would be too hilariously funny for Orson to contain himself, and he'd break it up with his laughter. This might well have been by design: he simply wanted to cut. I wouldn't put it past him.

There was an exterior to be shot in which the director was driving a car. I haven't driven in many years. I know how to drive, but I don't like driving, particularly in cities. I like my drink and I don't think driving and drinking mix, so I've made it a rule never to touch the wheel. However, since it was required, I obliged. The director was supposed to be driving rather recklessly. I gave them all they wanted in that respect. Inadvertently I got onto a freeway going in the wrong direction, against traffic. The car was full—Orson, technicians, cameramen and myself—and the cameras were going all the while. I saw there was no fence between the freeways, so I swerved up over the curbing, crossed the dividing area and joined the flow of traffic on the other side. There was dead silence in the car for a while, and then a concerted sigh. "Thanks, John, that'll do," Orson said.

We finished shooting in Carefree except for a few effect shots that Orson planned to take elsewhere, shots that didn't require actors. I left, having had a wonderful time, and admiring Orson and his whole modus operandi. Some months later the incomplete picture was shown to a selected audience. Orson still didn't have the funds to finish it. I didn't get to see it, but those who did tell me it is a knockout. Unfortunately, there are problems. The picture is owned by a half-dozen different investors, some of whom, God help us, are Iranians. About two weeks more shooting is needed to finish. It's about as complicated a situation as a picture can get into. Bogdanovich at first assured me that everything would be cleared up. Now I'm beginning to wonder, and I think Peter is, too.

Orson has a wholly undeserved reputation for extravagance and unreliability. I think much of this dates from the time he went down to Rio de Janeiro some thirty years ago to get some second-unit material for a projected picture, got caught up the drama and spectacle of the Mardi Gras and brought back a couple of hundred thousand feet or more that nobody knew what to do with. This single incident was absurdly over publicized. I have seen the way he works. He is a most economical filmmaker. Hollywood could well afford to imitate some of his methods.

Since Orson was absent at the time, I stood up and accepted an Academy Award for him not long ago (in 1970). It was for his contributions to films over the years. It struck me that although he was being paid this tribute, none of the studios was offering him a picture to direct. Perhaps it can just be put down to fear. People are afraid of Orson. People who haven't his stamina, his force or his talent. Standing close to him, their own inadequacies show up all too clearly. They're afraid of being overwhelmed by him.


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Taken from John Huston's Autobiography, AN OPEN BOOK, 1980.

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HUSTON: Orson, what page of the script are we on?

WELLES: What difference does it make, John?

HUSTON: I want to know how drunk I'm supposed to be.
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Postby Fredric » Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:55 am

Excellent! I want to see that film so bad!
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Postby LA » Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:19 am

Thanks for that, Todd, that's a great piece.

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Postby jaime marzol » Sat Dec 01, 2001 4:04 am

todd, great piece, and AN OPEN BOOK is such a wonderful read. huston is a great writer. i find him as interesting, and as charming as welles. what a pair f characters. in graver's docu, WORKING WITH OW there is quite a bit about orson and huston, and OSOTW.

among the better books on or by film people i've read: AN OPEN BOOK, PICTURE (about huston's RED BADGE OF COURAGE), and PUT MONEY IN THY PURSE. highly recomend all 3.

if anyone runs across it, the screenplay to TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE is one of the top 5 screenplays i've read.

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Postby dmolson » Sun Dec 02, 2001 3:13 am

I know Jaime's got one book on the go, but I think TOSOW is the perfect topic for a book on film and film making. There are still many of the principles still breathing, even a film that would be of valuable asset to the telling. The fact that it's still unreleased, and prospects still look doubtful for it ever to be publicly shown, could really be a great resource and record of the great Welles and his vision. For one, I was wondering about the 'jills-of-all-trades' referred to by Huston in his book. Of course Oja Kodar is likely one, but who was the other?

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Postby jaime marzol » Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:18 am

Dan:
the book covers welles' entire life till 1956, in 2 pages. The bulk of the book is the analyzation, and covers from when he arrived in America in 1956, till he was fired from TOUCH OF EVIL.

the last two chapters, THE LAST YEARS, and THE LAST FILM, i think are the most interesting. THE LAST FILM being THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND. i also find that whole adventure fascinating.

at this moment, it seems that these last two chapters are the only parts of the book i need permision from the estate on; according to the library of congress Universal owns 100% of TOUCH OF EVIL. so if the estate shoots down the last two chapters, the TOUCH OF EVIL book can still come out, but it won't be as interesting. the research on TOSOTW has been the most enjoyable part of the whole project.

the reason Universal and heston and shmidlin were bitten by the estate and beatrice so badly is because they were rearanging an orson welles film and releasing it as an orson welles creation; this gave the estate grounds to step in.

even though the restorers were acting out of love for this fine film, and had welles' best interest in mind, my guess is that all the ignorant stuff heston said about welles is what drew beatrice's hand. i'm just a fan and what heston said pissed me off. imagine if it was your deceased father that heston was bad-mouthing. i don't think anyone would act any different than beatrice did.

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Postby dmolson » Sun Dec 02, 2001 1:15 pm

I personally like to cut NRA-Chuck some slack, after all he did part the Dead Sea! I've never seen any quotes from Heston that wasn't similar to other knocks against Welles, that he was his own worst enemy... I've also seen Charlton quoted as saying very complementary things about Welles, that they worked well together and that he would have done so again if the opportunity had arised. I see another way around TOSOTW -- let's get Robert Wise to do a movie about a movie about a director, with Chuck starring as the director playing the director! It'd be kind of like Eastwood's film White Hunter Black Heart, where an actually true story is told in fiction form! Don't you think Tony Curtis would make a great 'Rich Little'?

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Postby jaime marzol » Sun Dec 02, 2001 2:00 pm

ah, we differ there, i liked "White Hunter Black Heart".

jeff prefers that i start a TOE thread rather than cross post, so follow me to new thread

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Postby Falstaff » Fri Dec 14, 2001 9:00 am

I also feel Heston deserves some slack. I can think of numerous examples of him paying compliments to Welles. Heston was Chairman of the AFI in the year Welles received the Award for Life Achievement – a coincidence?

As an example of Heston praising Welles below are the two final paragraphs from the AFI tribute book.

“Perhaps one of his most significant contributions to film was his pioneering efforts as what we now call an independent filmmaker. In the Forties, when all production was still studio-based, Welles began making films entirely on location as a maverick independent, putting them together with spit, string and chutzpah, blazing the trail for many filmmakers to follow. Happily, Orson Welles continues to pioneer

We must mark the work we value while it’s makers are still with us, and it’s also good to mark the work of a man who is still doing it. Orson Welles came to films young enough to be burdened with that uneasiest of labels, a ‘boy wonder’. He is no longer a boy, but he is still a wonder!”

Looking back to 1975 (the year of the award), OW could feel he was poised for a major resurgence in his career. F for fake was awaiting it’s US release, filming and editing continued on TOSOTW and was almost completed by the end of the year. With hindsight the saddest thing is just how close OW came to realising his dreams.

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Postby jaime marzol » Fri Dec 14, 2001 3:28 pm

heston, along with bogdanovich, and george stevens jr were the only dignified speakers at the Welles AFI disjointed ceremony. and i don't fault heston for flapping his jaws criticising welles. undoubtedly, welles had some of that coming, and heston said nothing about welles that hadn't been said before. i fault heston flapping his jaws at the wrong time. he flapped them when it was time to shut up for a few months while the TOE disc was being made. but goodtime chucky flapped on and on and on.

and the heston of 1975 is not the heston that we have around today. the heston of today says things that the heston of 1975 would have never said. but we've driven this heston thing into the ground. let's give chuck a rest.

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Postby ToddBaesen » Sat Dec 15, 2001 6:13 pm

That's an interesting article posted to the site on THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIND. And since the OSOTW footage is still around, instead of lamenting about the lost footage of AMBERSONS, (which will in all probablity never be found), why don't some of these so-called directors who are supposedly such big Welles fans, (like Friedken, Coppola, Lucas, etc.) use their influence to get OSOTW released?

As stated in the Vanity Fair article, they all like to talk about how great Welles was, but when given the chance to do something for him, they don't have the time, or aren't willing to spend the money.
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Postby Jeff Wilson » Wed Dec 26, 2001 12:36 pm

If someone here has the script excerpts of OSotW that were posted on the old board ages ago, can they send them to me? I'd like to include them on the page I'm working on for the film, but never copied them, alas. Thanks.

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Postby jaime marzol » Fri Dec 28, 2001 3:59 pm

jeff, i have some OSOTW excerpts in an interview with graver and kodar that lawrence french sent me. are those the ones you are looking for?

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Postby Jeff Wilson » Fri Dec 28, 2001 7:08 pm

Those might be it, Jaime; the ones I saw were just maybe page-long chunks of script that someone posted on the old board, without much explanation.

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Postby Harvey Chartrand » Sun Jan 20, 2002 12:00 am

Curtis Harrington on Orson and Beatrice Welles and The Other Side of the Wind
From a September 2001 interview by Rusty White (Entertainment Insiders)

RW: I think one of the most famous films never released is Mr. Welles' "The Other Side of the Wind."

CH: Yes well, I'm privy to what is going on. Gary Graver is trying to set a deal with Showtime to pay for the completion of the film. It's all shot, it just needs final editing, sound effects, the final music and the whole production will be finished. There is a big problem and I think this is still an ongoing problem. They haven't resolved it yet. One of Orson Welles' daughters is an incredible, its very unfortunate, an incredible obstructionist. She is in the grip of a shyster lawyer. Whenever anything is done, she brings a law suite trying to get money. She's just vicious about it. She's a terrible person. When they did the restoration of "Touch of Evil" she caused trouble at Universal. She's extremely litigious because of this guy, this shyster lawyer that she is involved with. It's very unfortunate. She's preventing...they're afraid you see...she makes them afraid to make a deal to finish the film, because she's threatening and threatening and threatening. Even if she doesn't have a leg to stand on, they don't like the idea that there is going to be a lawsuit to fight through. Can't blame them. She is just awful.

RW: What was it like working on "The Other Side of the Wind"? There was an amazing number of directors acting in the film?

CH: Well I'm one of them!

RW: Oh yes.

CH: It was fun. Orson did it (the sequence with Mr. Harrington) the night before I began shooting "What's the Matter With Helen?", the very night before. I had to get up early to begin shooting, but I was so thrilled that I would do this little scene for Orson that I said "Come hell or high water, I'm going to finish my prep (on "Helen") and I'm going to be there and do this!"

RW: Have you been able to see portions of the film?

CH: A huge amount of it. Gary Graver, in trying to get the money to complete the film, arranged several screenings, not public screenings, but private screenings in a projection room in a laboratory or a studio.

RW: It sounds like the movie has an intriguing premise.

CH: Well, it's a very...it's an Orson Welles movie! It has two simultaneous storylines. It's about a film director played by John Huston, and then interspersed with the present day story about this film director are scenes from his latest film. So it's a film within the film. The film that he's shooting, which it has sequences from, is done in a very different style than the rest of the film. So it is very fascinating exercise.

RW: Well hopefully one of these days the lawyer will go away...

CH: I wish he would!

RW: ...and the world will get to see this.

CH: It's really a shame that she is so terrible. She should be promoting the completion of the film, not obstructing it.

RW: You would think so. You would think that she would tend to profit from its release. What did you think of "Touch of Evil"?

CH: It's one of my favorites. There again, that's one of the great master works of the cinema, and it was totally ignored, totally ignored, even more ignored than my film "What's the Matter With Helen?" when it was originally released. It was released as a B-picture by Universal. They didn't like it. The executives didn't like it, nobody there liked it. They didn't understand it, they didn't want it, so it was just thrown out. It took France to recognize this. Then people began to notice it.

RW: I guess it is to much to ask a producer to think beyond the bottom line, but from a historical viewpoint, where would Martin Scorsese be without "Touch of Evil"? That movie had such an impact on him, you look at the opening shoot...and Brian De Palma or Francis Ford Coppola?

CH: Of course. Orson has had a profound influence on all of us. Absolutely. He was one of the great theatrical geniuses of the 20th century.


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