F for Fake versus F for Fake - regarding the two DVD releases

Discuss two films from Welles' Oja Kodar/Gary Graver period
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Postby Jaime N. Christley » Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:03 am

Well, this was my first post, and I've returned with answers to my own questions. I've purchased the Criterion Laserdisc, the Brazillian DVD, and the Japanese DVD of what has become one of my favorite Welles films, F for Fake. I will now do a brief, non-tech-savvy review of each. I don't think any current video edition of the film is entirely satisfactory, and I hope to explain why.

(Please forgive me if I repeat information that is common knowledge.)

First, my TV is a piece of junk - an RCA XL100 that I bought about three years ago - I can't wait until I can afford to get a better one. I have measured the length and width of all three F for Fakes during playback, and the only thing I can tell you is that the Japanese disc is closer to Widescreen than the Brazillian disc and the Criterion LD, which are barely Widescreen at all (the ARs for those two are nearly identical). Given the curvature of my television tube, the Japanese disc is (according to my calculations) somewhere between 1.5:1 and 1.6:1, where the other two are closer to 1.4:1. This is obviously a problem with my hardware, because the Criterion sleeve tells me that the LD presents the film in 1.66:1. Hmm!

In short, better stick with Jeff's measurements on this site.

Onto the discs, in order of my preference:

1) The Japanese F for Fake [89min] - There appears to be some very, very slight cropping of the image on the top and bottom. On the first title card, for example, the French copyright blurb is right up against the bottom edge of the letterbox frame. This, plus Jeff's analysis, leads me to believe that the Japanese disc is incorrectly framed, but not too badly. (It could be worse, a lot worse - see Winstar's DVD for The Puppetmaster, which takes a Widescreen film and crops it to full-frame.) I wouldn't DREAM of saying that the incorrect framing is no big deal - of course it's a big deal, it's a Welles film - only that it isn't an outrageous blunder, and it doesn't bother me while I watch the film.

Aside from that gaff, this is the best-looking version of the film that I've seen. As I stated below, the image quality is very pleasing - sharp but not over-defined, deep blacks and good contrasts. Whether or not the DVD is "faithful" to a 35-millimeter print, I couldn't tell you.

Extras are few - production notes and cast/crew bios in Japanese, cute interactive menus, and the option for Japanese subtitles (which are removable).

2) The Criterion F for Fake [85min] - I sincerely hope that Criterion (which is owned by Home Vision Entertainment, the same company that has the VHS version of the movie in their catalog) releases the film on DVD, because there are a few things that make the laserdisc special. First and foremost, Criterion triest their best to present each of their films as correctly as possible, without over-tweaking the transfers, oversharpening the image, and generally making the picture look computer-enhanced. (See the too-bright, too-clean and shiny Citizen Kane disc as an example of overzealous DVD authoring.) In short, while seeing a film on video is not the same as seeing a film projected in its original format, Criterion tries to get us as close to it as possible in a home environment. SECOND, the LD contains the 9-minute F for Fake trailer, which can be considered a Welles film in itself, not just because it uses footage not found in the actual feature, but because it was created by Welles (and Mr. Graver), and as such, is a unique item in his filmography that warrants unique consideration. Whether you think of it as a short, or, as Rosenbaum defines it, an essay, it's a Welles film.

Disadvantages to the laserdisc are few - it's a flipper, so even if you have a 919, there'll be a break in the film. Also, and this seems to be the case with most laserdiscs, there's something curious about the image during playback. It's not blurry or washed out or displeasing in any way - I can hardly put my finger on it, except to say that it looks "fragile." Laserdics don't seem to have the jaw-dropping image clarity you get with the very best DVDs - the pictures of F for Fake on the Japanese disc seem more "there," if that makes any sense. LD picture quality is, at its best, always superior to VHS, but the best DVD is superior to laserdisc.

3) The Brazillian F for Fake [86min] - Okay, I'm going to tell you right off - don't buy this disc. It's not worth the bother.

Why:

When the title came up, I was actually horrified. I flinched - it seemed to be creeping around in the darkness, the vomit blue title card bathed in mud, alerting me immediately that I needed to toy with the controls in order to get a pic quality that was remotely acceptable. Having done so, it still looked awful. I think this can be blamed on a sub-par print, scratchy and dirty and a bit washed out, most of all blurry. The sharpness of the Jap DVD and the Criterion LD are absent.

A shame, since it looks like the Brazillian producer put a bit of time into the thing - it doesn't look like a hack job. The menus are nice (uses the same clip from Legrand's score as the Jap DVD), and the packaging is of professional quality. There aren't any special features except for a short bio and incomplete filmography for OW.

The only redeeming facets of the Brazillian disc are the aspect ratio, which looks to be the same as the Criterion edition, and the English subtitles, which one may find a use for during some of Elmyr de Hory's scenes. Other than that, there's no reason to get this edition. (The seller appears to have a few left, which you can bid for on eBay or buy from his web site for $34.95 USD plus $6 for shipping from Sao Paulo.)

Finally, there is a discrepancy between the listed running times, as stated above. I haven't yet discovered why.

If anyone has any questions, or would like any screen shots from the Brazillian disc, or scans from the cover, give me a holler.

Greetings - nice web site.

Has anyone been able to compare the two DVD releases of F for Fake? There's this one:

eBay auction (from Brazil)

And there's a Japanese one:

Japanese disc

Not much known about either, except that the Jap disc is 16x9 and may or may not have removable subtitles, whilst the Brazillian disc - the seller puts a new one up whenever he sells the old one, meaning he has a steady supply - has removable subtitles but is of an unknown OAR.

Anybody find anything further?

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Postby Jeff Wilson » Thu Mar 07, 2002 9:38 am

Welcome to the board. I had seen that Brazilian guy's eBay auction, but hadn't gotten round to mentioning it. He says it's a legit disc, but who knows? If anyone wants to take a chance and plunk down the $20, go for it and let us know how it is. As for the Japanese disc, you can see the review of it on the site. Are you sure it's anamorphic? The box makes no mention of it; on Japanese discs, they usually say "stretched" in katakana to indicate anamorphic, and I couldn't find that anywhere. I'll take another look later today to double check. It's a good disc, with a clean (but not pristine) picture. See the screen captures with the review for more.

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Postby Jaime N. Christley » Thu Mar 07, 2002 11:17 am

Yeah, I actually checked out those captures after I posted this - I nearly had a cardiac arrest when I saw that the top was from the Criterion LD, until I read your note saying it was taken by a digital camera; I'd just recently picked one up on eBay for seventy-five big'uns. (That doesn't compare to when I was beat at the last millisecond for another F for Fake LD auction a month ago - the winner ended up paying $255 for that one!!)

I'll definitely pick up the Japanese disc (removable subs, I hope?), and maybe the Brazillian disc ... call it my gambling spirit.

Anamorphic? Yr guess is as good as mine - from what I understand, you can unnaturally "force" any AR you want onto a film. But then, I don't know much about that stuff, I'm just going by the Sazuma page.

Speaking of which, Sazuma has the Jap disc listed for fifty bucks - which I hope includes whatever fees were necessary to import the thing from Japan. Do you know anywhere online that I could get the disc for cheaper? CD Japan maybe?

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Postby Jeff Wilson » Thu Mar 07, 2002 11:46 am

The subtitles can be switched off on the Japanese disc. As for where to get it, I'd never order from Sazuma; they take forever, and they're run by clowns. I ordered from them twice, and both orders were screwed up. I've read many other horror stories from people online who've dealt with them and regretted it. CD Japan doesn't have it listed in their regular online catalog; you have to special order it, but it doesn't take long, assuming it's still in print. With postage, it would be similar to Sazuma's price, I'd think. And they're much nicer to deal with, too.

$255 for a Fake LD? I'm glad I only paid about $15 for mine a couple years ago.

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Postby Jaime N. Christley » Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:47 pm

Ah, good news, I just found it on HMV for what looks to be a fairly reasonable price...

I'm crossing my fingers that Criterion will do a DVD of F for Fake - after all, the VHS is from Home Vision, so it's not like it's a rights issue. (Er, unless it is?) Unfortunately, they're too busy churning out early Milos Forman and Barbet Schroeder films and negotiating for the next Fellini or Kurosawa to worry about Welles. Or Ozu. Or Mizoguchi. *sigh*

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Postby Jeff Wilson » Thu Mar 07, 2002 1:19 pm

Criterion would probably have to re-negotiate for the DVD rights, if they wanted to pursue them. I'm not sure why they haven't made any attempt to release a Welles film yet, considering their great laserdiscs of his films. Some are obviously rights and studio issues (Kane, Ambersons, Othello, Chimes) and some have been done already (Kane, Shanghai, Touch of Evil, Trial), but the remainder is something they should grab, namely Arkadin and F for Fake. Who knows, they may have plans to do so, but simply aren't announcing anything yet.

And that price for the Fake R2 disc is about $36, so it's a good deal, particularly with the declining yen.

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Postby nathan_h » Fri Mar 08, 2002 10:59 pm

Jaime N. Christley wrote:Ah, good news, I just found it on HMV for what looks to be a fairly reasonable price...

$50+ ?

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Postby Jaime N. Christley » Fri Mar 08, 2002 11:37 pm

$50+ ?


Yes. Unless you know where to get it for less?

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Postby Jaime N. Christley » Sat Mar 09, 2002 5:25 pm

I've ordered both DVDs of F for Fake - the Japanese and the Brazillian disc. For anyone who's curious, I'll post my remarks after I'm through watching them. (Of course, I'm not much of a tech-head as far as these things go, but I think I know the difference between a crap disc and a good disc.)

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Postby Jaime N. Christley » Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:05 pm

Just received my Japanese disc.

My computer won't play it (odd, it plays all R1 discs, but for non-R1 discs, it plays some but not others), but my DVD player will.

Obviously, Jeff, your screenshots of the Japanese disc are a gnat's eyehair under 1.5:1. However, on my television set (RCA) and my DVD player (SAMPO), I'll be baked, fried, and thoroughly goddamned if the AR isn't the very one it's supposed to be: 1.66:1.

I would also like to add that the picture and sound is the bee's knees. Yes sir. This is a very pleasing disc, and I can't see how any American release could improve on it (except in the area of extras, to which I say, extras schmextras).

Oja Kodar's first name is pronounced almost "Oh, yeah." Coincidence?

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Postby R Kadin » Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:24 pm

Jaime N., I'll take that as a "thumb's up" (lol). Just ordered the Japanese DVD for myself. They estimate its delivery within the week. Here's hoping.... :)

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Postby Jaime N. Christley » Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:39 pm

I ordered it from HMV - the shipping is costly (over $16) but they ship express, so I got the package in two days, pretty good considering it came from overseas and had to go through customs and whatnot.

But yeah, a recommended disc - of course, I'm not a tech-head, so take that into consideration. On the other hand, I wish I had a nickel for every DVD review site - the supposed home of DVD technical experts - that had a reviewer complain that a DVD of a movie from pre-widescreen, pre-stereo days wasn't presented in anamorphic widescreen, with a Dolby Digital 5.1 sound mix.

I just realized that I measured Jeff's images incorrectly - they look to be closer to 1.85:1. I'll have to remeasure my TV screen, but by just eyeballing it, it looks like the correct AR. Will post again.

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Postby nathan_h » Sat Mar 16, 2002 12:28 pm

Jaime N. Christley wrote:
$50+ ?


Yes. Unless you know where to get it for less?

Oh, no, not at all. Wish I did!

I'll be curious to hear about whether the Brazilian DVD is as good as the Japanese. (I don't think that has been metioned here?) I exchanged email with the person on ebay selling it (or, at least, one of the people doing so) and that seller indicated it was "full screen" but the wording of the reply was such that maybe it was just a guess.

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Postby R Kadin » Tue Mar 19, 2002 11:02 pm

:( Bad news! Got my Japanese DVD today and it's a no-go: neither the PC or my DVD player will have anything to do with it, it seems.

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Postby Jaime N. Christley » Wed Mar 20, 2002 12:17 am

PLEASE SCROLL TO THE TOP OF THIS THREAD FOR UPDATED REMARKS ON THE THREE EDITIONS OF F FOR FAKE.

That's terrible - what brand of player do you have? I have a Sampo DVE-611, otherwise known as the budget region-free player, but it plays everything I put in it.

Well, if it isn't defective (maybe a friend can test it for you), you should keep it. If it's defective, be sure to let us know how much trouble it is getting an exchange or a return. (Ugh.)


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