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The Iranian Connection

Postby Tony » Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:05 pm

Not too much has been written, at least in English, about the Iranian financing of Welles's last two completed films: "F For Fake" and "The Other Side of the Wind". Of course, Iran is very different now than before the fall of the Shah. Nevertheless, as I happen to have a few Iranian friends, I have been made aware that Iran today is often not as we perceive it in the Western press, and that Persian culture is among the oldest and most sophisticated of world cultures. Reading a web-page about Welles and Iran, I was struck by this phrase: "...the filming of the two final and most ambitious film projects of his entire career: 'F for Fake' and 'The Other Side of the Wind'": perhaps they were the two most ambitious projects of his career!

Welles was originally approached by the Iranian Government's Ministry of Culture in order to narrate a documentary film on the Persepolis Ceremonies held in October 1971 called "The Persian Empire", and he also narrated a second documentary on the Persian Emperor in 1972 entitled "The Shah of Iran" which was directed by Walter Ellaby. These projects helped him get Iranian financing for his own directorial efforts.

An Iranian film critic named Youssef Ishaghpour published a three volume work in French on Welles entitled " "Orson Welles Cineaste", which has recently been issued as a single volume book of 1,971 pages:

http://www.amazon.fr/Orson-W....s=books

And here's the link for the Iranian website page on Welles: the article has a very beautiful title:
"Orson's Last Sigh: Orson Welles's Journey from Xanadu to Persepolis":

http://www.iranian.com/DariusKadivar/2003/July/Wells/#mehdi

Documentaries have been made of Welles's periods in Hollywood, Brazil, Spain, Italy and Croatia; perhaps one day we will have a film on his Iranian period.

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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby Wellesnet » Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:07 pm

Interesting BBC Storyville program on the Shah's lavish 1971 celebration of the Persian Empire's 2500th anniversary. Orson Welles narrated the documentary made from this event:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJSx1nVEEB0

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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby Le Chiffre » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:05 pm

Too bad, maybe it'll be online again soon. It was broadcast on the BBC only a couple of months ago. The actual 1973 documentary for the Shah that Welles narrated was online for awhile, but was taken down shortly after we found it. Sometimes you've got to act fast when it comes to videos on the Internet.

Quotes from an Internet article:
After seeing the recent Storyville episode on the Shah of Iran's repulsive billion-dollar filmed desert extravaganza, narrated by Welles in the most grovelling fashion, I can't take him seriously anymore. Talk about blood money. Why didn't he use some of that to finish his opus?.

Yes, that was a brilliant Storyville and that film was weird, filming split screen like 'Woodstock', 'The Boston Strangler' or '24'.

You're actually correct. Some of the money for both 'The Other Side Of The Wind' and 'F For Fake' did indeed come from Iran. A 'making of' about this film is essential.

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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby Wellesnet » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:10 pm

Last year's BBC Storyville program, "Decadence and Downfall: The Shah of Iran's Ultimate Party", is back online, for now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwjQAf2Ih88

A brief snippet of Welles's narration appears at 1:05:26.

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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby Wellesnet » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:27 pm

And now it's gone again.

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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby Le Chiffre » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:37 am

Forty years after the Iranian Revolution that threw out the Shah, installed the Ayatollah, and put Welles's TOSOTW into limbo, the sabre rattling has put us on the brink again:

Samanthat Vinograd on Iran: Trump showed he "wasn't willing to follow through", gross disorganization:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ation.html
President Trump is, thank goodness in this case, more bark than bite. I was part of a series of conversations under President Obama about going to war in Syria and putting more troops in harm's way. It's a difficult decision for any commander-in-chief and it's typical that various members of the cabinet have different views.

The issue here, is what and whom is coordinating the fulsome strategy on Iran, not just deterring them from further strikes on American assets, but looking at the whole scope of things that Iran is doing and figuring out what tools are going to be most impactful.

And it really appears that nobody is steering this ship.

It appears that the administration is shooting from the hip and playing a game of whack-a-mole when it comes to Iranian threats rather than again looking at this macro picture and figuring out what to do.


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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby Le Chiffre » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:31 pm

Noam Chomsky interview July, 2019

Q: I was reminded of Manufacturing Consent recently, while reading headlines about growing tensions between Iran and the United States. This article in the Washington Post is, I think, emblematic of efforts by certain media outlets to misrepresent the conflict by minimizing Trump’s abandonment of the nuclear deal and framing Iran’s renewed enrichment of uranium as the catalyst for heightened hostilities. Can you explain why this sort of reporting is dangerous, and how critical readers should effectively appraise coverage of international relations in the news media?

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The media almost reflexively adopt the basic framework of state doctrine. At the liberal end of the spectrum (the New York Times, Washington Post) they typically soften the edges slightly, yielding the impression of independence. Reporting of the Iran-US tensions is typical of the long-standing pattern, documented to the sky. According to state propaganda, Iran is the guilty party. The United States has to decide whether and how to respond to Iran’s provocations and general malice. The liberal media, in their most critical stance, frame it differently — both sides are increasing tensions.

Reality is dramatically different, and hardly in question. Iran has lived up completely to the stringent terms of the JCPOA (uniquely harsh for a signer of the Non-Proliferation Treaty). US intelligence and all other credible sources agree. The Trump administration withdrew from the treaty, effectively destroying it, and imposed savage sanctions designed to destroy the economy and punish the population. Iran refrained from any reaction, hoping that the European Union might have the courage to depart from the master’s orders, but when it failed to do so, Iran began to take some steps to restore its nuclear programs — as indeed it is entitled to do under the NPT and once the JCPOA is abrogated. It may or may not have carried out some provocative actions in the Gulf as charged by the Trump-Bolton-Pompeo axis, not famous for their credibility.

All of this is dismissed to the margins.

Unmentionable in the free press is the international Gallup poll that asked which country is the greatest threat to world peace: the United States, no one else even close. Iran barely mentioned — in contradiction to the US mantra, constantly intoned, that Iran is the greatest threat to peace and the United States is of course the world’s leading advocate of peace and democracy.

There is a straightforward way to mitigate or end any imagined Iranian nuclear threat: establish a nuclear weapons-free zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East, with adequate inspections, such as those that have been carried out in Iran under the JCPOA without interference, as acknowledged. The idea was proposed decades ago by the Arab states. It is strongly supported by Iran, G-77, and virtually every other country, but is regularly vetoed by the United States at the NPT review conferences, most recently by Obama. The reason is scarcely concealed. It would mean acknowledging the existence of Israel’s huge nuclear weapons arsenal — which would render military aid to Israel illegal under US law — and permitting it to be inspected, evidently intolerable. Advocacy of such a policy must therefore be another form of “the real antisemitism.”

An interesting footnote, also under a ban, is that the United States and Britain have a unique obligation to pursue a NWFZ in the Middle East. In seeking to concoct a pretext for invading Iraq they appealed to UN Security Council Resolution 687; they falsely claimed that Iraq had violated by developing nuclear weapons. The only violators of the treaty are the United States and United Kingdom, undermining its call for establishing a NWFZ in the Middle East.

It is becoming somewhat boring to reiterate all of this endlessly to ears that are closed by fanatic loyalty to doctrinal verities. Something Orwell anticipated when he discussed how in free England, “unpopular ideas can be suppressed without the use of force.”

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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby Wellesnet » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:56 am

"Decadence and Downfall" is back up on YouTube. Welles's narration excerpts are at 37:00, 39:00, 41:30, and 1:06:45:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDhGPYWfKFU

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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby NoFake » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:22 pm

Following up on the July 18 interview with Noam Chomsky and his observations regarding the Washington Post's reporting vis-a-vis Iran, here's today's take from the paper:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/iran-says-it-will-commit-to-nuclear-inspections-if-us-lifts-sanctions/2019/07/18/4b69677a-a97f-11e9-86dd-d7f0e60391e9_story.html?utm_term=.f89700601d79

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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby F. Scott » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:51 pm

The reason many Iranians are ticked off at the US really has nothing to do with Islam. Here's an article on How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/69036340 ... 8gRgbBnJCQ

The wars in the Middle East are about the drug called oil, and the United States is the junkie. If you try and cut the junkie off from the drugs and that junkie can out escalate you all the way up to nuclear weapons, you're in big trouble.

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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby Wellesnet » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:31 am

The Real Reason Trump Assassinated Qassem Soleimani:
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-r ... soleimani/
The madman in the White House has been sulking and raging for weeks about his impeachment proceedings, tweeting manically on some days more than 100 times. With the release by JustSecurity.org of unredacted emails on the Ukraine scandal showing that Trump personally (and illegally) withheld congressionally mandated military aid to an ally, the Republican defense of the president is collapsing. Some GOP senators such as Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski seem to be weakening on calling witnesses and subpoenaing records for the Senate trial, and the Democrats only need four Republican senators to ensure a proper proceeding, which would certainly put Trump’s presidency in peril.

It is extremely suspicious that Trump has abruptly begun trafficking in the sanguinary merchandise of all-out war just at this moment when his throne is on the brink of toppling.


How Democracies Die:
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The business elites in Italy and Germany saw the fascists as buffoons, just as Wall Street views Trump and his enablers as an embarrassment. But the capitalists would rather have Trump as president than a reformer such as Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. The primacy of corporate profit, as in fascist Germany and Italy, makes the business elites willfully complicit in the destruction of democracy. These capitalists are oblivious to the danger their consolidation of wealth and power poses to democracy. They ram through tax cuts for the rich and austerity programs that exacerbate the despair and rage that fuel extremism. They make war on organized labor, suppressing wages and abolishing benefits.


"Therefore, my Harry,
Be it thy course to busy giddy minds with foreign quarrels;
That action, hence borne out,
May waste the memory of the former days."

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Re: The Iranian Connection

Postby Wellesnet » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:01 am

Trump compared to Harry Lime:
https://bismarcktribune.com/opinion/let ... 07926.html
During last months Davos, Switzerland, “World Economic Forum;” in an interview, about ending Medicare and Social Security, Trump said, “At some point they will be, on my agenda!”

In the movie, “The Third Man” Orson Welles, on a huge Vienna, Austria Ferris wheel, looks down and says, “Would you feel any pity if one of those dots (people) stopped moving forever?” That’s exactly how Trump’s party feels about you and me.


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