Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby Alan Brody » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:26 pm

All this talk of Mr. Arkadin reminds me that I recently saw Omen III: The Final Conflict (1981) on Space: The Imagination Station. Twenty-seven years after Mr. Arkadin wrapped, there was an older, sadder-looking Robert Arden given five minutes all to himself on the big screen, portraying an American Ambassador driven to suicide by evil Damien Thorn (an impossibly young Sam Neill). This was probably the most sustained bit of acting Arden had done in all those years. He was quite good, appropriately dignified at first and then increasingly frantic as demonic forces overwhelmed him. That's quite a character arc to pull off in such a brief scene. It's kind of sad to ponder Arden's fate, as he had hoped that Mr. Arkadin would make him a star. Alas, his performance as grifter/adventurer Guy Van Stratten was universally panned by the few critics who saw the film when it came out, and so it was to be bit parts and BBC radio work from then on for poor old Robert Arden, who died in 2004


Thanks for that info, Harvey. It’s been about thirty years since I saw Omen III, and I don’t remember much about it except that it sucked, but it would be interesting to see Robert Arden get offed to Jerry Goldsmith’s music, so I’ll have to give (that scene at least) another look.

It’s worth mentioning though, that Barbara Leaming’s book implies that Arden partially blamed Welles for the failure of Mr. Arkadin, saying that somewhere along the making of the film, Welles got bored with it. I’ve always wondered whether this boredom was what led him to rearrange the film into an elaborate flashback structure, and whether this overhaul caused the delays in completing the film that eventually prompted Louis Dolivet to remove Welles from the picture and file a lawsuit against him.

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby Roger Ryan » Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:37 pm

The Arden character's bizarre suicide in THE OMEN III is the one scene that has stayed in my memory from seeing it in '81 (well, there was that bit where the mother applies the burning iron to her baby's face - the way it was played made the 17-year-old me laugh out loud; it probably still would). For those who haven't seen Arden's big moment, it involved a revolver and typewriter ribbon being carefully weaved around the entire room and attached to the door handles. I actually wrote a review of the film for my high school newspaper and I remember noting that Arden's scene was recommended for "connoisseurs of cinematic suicides" :roll: .

Regarding ARKADIN's flashback structure: given that Welles obvious wrote new dialogue to dub into the early scenes between Van Stratten and Zouk, I'd say the idea to structure the film as a flashback came sometime during the shooting and after those scenes had been shot. However, later in the film, the Van Stratten/Zouk linking scenes feature live dialogue (or, at least, dialogue actually synched with the lips) which seem intended to set up flashbacks (note Van Stratten checking to see if Arkadin's car had arrived yet before continuing with his story). My impression is that Welles thought up the flashback structure after starting to shoot the garret scenes and altered his shooting halfway through to accomodate this. Then, instead of going back and reshooting the material already in the can, he simply wrote new dialogue for Arden and Tamiroff to dub in the early scenes. This is pure speculation on my part, but the garret linking scenes work much better as the film progresses.

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby Glenn Anders » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:36 am

Roger: I'm always impressed by the empathy and accuracy of your insights.

In support of your theory about the flashback structure for MR. ARKDIN, I would suggest that back in late 1953 or early 1954, when I first read an interview with Welles taken from the French papers, the film was to be entitled M. ARKADIN. He spoke of the European men who had shaped World War II, and the Cold War World which was evidently to follow, men who were as shadowy and whispered about as, one might concllude, the American Robber Barons had been touted and publicized in America during the period which gave rise to Charles Foster Kane. [I wonder what Welles might have had to say about Prescott Bush, recently elected U.S. Senator in 1952, who fit both job categories, and whose family has led us to where we are now.] M. ARKADIN, Welles said, would dwell on the nature of names and identity. Obviously, that is one theme which is played out in the film, but I would agree with you, Roger, that as the film took shape in Welles mind during the following months, the place and importance of Jacob Zouk must have gained a more central position.

For instance, examine the evidence of the novel, Mr. Arkadin, contracted for as Monsieur Arkadin in March 1954 with Gallimard of Paris, published serially by France Soir in 1955, and translated to English in 1956. In a letter dated two days after Gallimard's 1954 agreement, Robert Polito tells us in his preface to the novel, Maurice Bessy contacted Producer Louis Dolivet, saying that because Welles was too busy, Bessy would write the novel for publication, to be attributed to Welles. Bessy wrote: ". . . I will follow very closely the shooting script [of the proposed film] I have a copy of."

If we look at the novel itself, keeping in mind Bessy's words above, we notice that the story, told by Van Stratten, begins on the docks in Naples with the murder of Bracco, like the butchered versions of MR. ARKADIN, and moves rather straightforwardly to the end, where Raina Arkadin stalks away from Van Stratten and Lord Rutleigh after her father's plane has crashed near Barcelona Airport . For the first 200 pages of this 245 page novel, though the other bizarre characters of the film tend to be given whole chapters to themselves, Jacob Zouk is mentioned only twice, and we do not actually meet him until page 215. He lives for just thirteen pages. Van Stratten tells us that he had taken leave of the beautiful Raina [who reminds him of both Mily and his own mother] on Christmas Eve, a kind of whim, to find this old, dying book keeper, who had been released from his German prison cell, as a humanitarian gesture, the day before. "In fact," he says, "I had decided to slip away immediately to Munich to see Jacob Zouk. A mere formality. Then I could submit a reassuring report to Arkadin, collect the sum of money agreed upon, and start living my own life again."

Clearly, your vision, Alan Brody's, and mine of Jacob Zouk coming to occupy such a central position in MR. ARKADIN must have occurred to Welles sometime late in the film making process.

Finally, thinking of marcoshark's reference to THE LADY FROM SHANGHAI and the story of Marcus Schrenker [now there's a name Welles would have loved], let me append a mixing of news items concerning MR. ARKADIN and modern New World Order financial reality:

http://www.allbusiness.com/services/mot ... 195-1.html

Arkadin SA, specializing in Worldwide web phone and video conferencing, has its head offices on Rue du Cambrai, Paris

Perhaps, Arkadin was not in that plane; perhaps he got away; perhaps he did not wish to burden his daughter, but did not want to die either; perhaps, he entered into a "relationship," say on the Dalmatian Coast, and had a son. If so, Arkadin could have easily financed him in a great new company of the New Information Age. :shock:

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby Alan Brody » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:50 pm

Or maybe the president of the company is just a big Welles fan. If so, maybe he can finance the completion of TOSOTW! :P

Maurice Bessy contacted Producer Louis Dolivet, saying that because Welles was too busy, Bessy would write the novel for publication, to be attributed to Welles. Bessy wrote: ". . . I will follow very closely the shooting script [of the proposed film] I have a copy of."

I sure would love to get ahold of a copy of that script. Has anyone here ever seen it?

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby tonyw » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:54 pm

Glenn, As always interesting information especially about Prestcott Bush who dealt with the Nazis during the 30s and 40s according to recent information.

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby Alan Brody » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:26 pm

That information was actually given 25 years ago by Charles Higham in his 1983 book Trading With the Enemy, but then, Higham's reputation for semi-plausible assertions in countless trashy Hollywood bios, including a couple on Welles, probably made many people skeptical of anything he had to say.

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby The Night Man » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:01 am

Here's a more recent article on Prescott Bush's financial ties to the Nazis, unencumbered by any Higham connection:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

It's a story so perfectly murky Gregory Arkadin would be envious.

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby Alan Brody » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:51 am

That's an interesting article. Didn't help Kerry get elected in '04, though, but then that whole story didn't seem to get much play in the American media. I don't remember hearing anything about it.

I wonder if there were any business dealings between Fritz Thyssen and Fritz Mandl, who is thought by many to be the real-life industrialist that Welles based the character of Gregory Arkadin on. Here's an interesting article correction in NYT, correcting an article that claimed that it was Thyssen, not Mandl who was married to Hedy Lemarr:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A967948260

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby Glenn Anders » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:19 am

Actually, Alan, since you inquire, almost any crazy story can be accepted as gospel in America, and the Internet proliferates the problem. Look at all the peripheral charges, some of them quite insane, laughable on their face, made against Barack Obama on his way to the Presidency. To be sure, the lore on the Bush Family goes way back. If you have an hour, google Prescott Bush's fellow co-conspirator, William Farish II. He died in 1942, before he could feel the full weight of punishment. [Check out the friends, interests and career of his grandson, William Farish III.] By all means, examine how Prescott Bush came to found the USO, and trace back his interests in things like Eugenics. Look into the long career of Bush Family friend, Fred Malek, appointed to a sinecure as one of George W. Bush's last official acts as President. None of that seems to have really fazed the American voting public over the years.

As for the two Fritzes, Thyssen and Mandl, Fritz Thyssen's father, August, was in steel, starting in chicken coops, and Fritz Mandl's fortune was in munitions. Mandl lived in Argentina during the War, and was promptly arrested for his war crimes . . . in 1945 -- but he lived on until 1977. Fritz Thyssen went to Argentina after his release from prison, where he died in 1951. His brother Heinrich Thyssen became a great art collector, and it is his Villa Favorita, maintained by his widow, Fiona, the Baroness Thyssen, referred to in your article. [These guys seem to love Art and Pure Bred Horses!]

I should think that Caouste Gulbenkian, the Armenian oil trader, "Mr. Five Percenter," a successor to Sir Basil Zaharoff, would have been a better model for Gregory Arkadin. He happened to die in 1955, the year MR. ARKADIN was released in Europe.

Here is a fun article, which will provide you with leads for more pleasant research:

http://www.redroom.com/articlestory/dea ... its-course

Glenn

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby Alan Brody » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:19 pm

Thanks for the info, Glenn. I look forward to reading your article when I get a chance. I confess I'd never heard of Gulbenkian, but after reading the Wiki entry on him, I think he is indeed a plausible Arkadin model.

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby ZenKaneCity » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:59 pm

During the Corinth commentary, it's mentioned that Welles is believed to have done the editing of the first few scenes. Does anyone know exactly which scenes that includes?

Also, I was struck by the comment someone made earlier in the thread, that the "masked" Welles in the credits makes more sense if the credits are at the beginning. Similarly, I prefer the sequencing of the Mexico scenes in the Comprehensive Version, because Arkadin's "unmasking" as Santa Claus is more effective as it's been longer since his last appearance.

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby Cyberstrike » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:16 am

I don't know if this has been mentioned but Arden was in a Chaplin film I think it's called The King of New York (I was channel surfing and came in about half through it on TCM) where he has a cameo as an elevator bell boy helping Chaplin get a firehose off his middle finger (believe me it was really funny).

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby WaverBoy » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:39 am

I picked up this Criterion release when it came out, never having seen any version of the film before. I watched the Comprehensive Version, and thought it was absolutely fantastic. It may have been a commercial failure, but, at least in its reconstructed form, it is in no way an artistic failure; in fact, it is my second favourite Welles film after KANE. Phenomenal camerawork, intoxicating atmosphere, and an intriguing plot reminiscent of KANE but satisfying on its own terms as well. The two most lambasted parts of the film, Robert Arden's performance and Welles' obviously intentionally artificial makeup, work just fine for me. (Regarding the latter, it dovetails quite nicely with Arkadin's disguising of his past and his ruse of amnesia.) If this really is Welles' "worst film", as some on this board have opined, then all of Welles' films are at least great.

I watched it again last night, with my girlfriend who's also keen on classic films and especially films noir (I'm such a lucky bastard to have found her!), and she agreed with my assessment. MR. ARKADIN, even in its necessarily compromised form, is a fascinating classic. If that extra scene of Jacob Zouk ever surfaces and can be incorporated into the film proper, it would be even more so. My hats are off to all involved in the creation of this set, especially Stefan Drössler, Claude Bertemes and Peter Bogdanovich for their efforts over the years in helping put the puzzle together.

By the by, this is my first post here. My name is Jeffrey Nelson, aka WaverBoy. Nice to meet you all!

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon (Blu-Ray?)

Postby cinescot » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:59 pm

With Criterion recently releasing F for Fake on Blu-ray, what are the chances we will see a release of the Arkadin set on Blu? I haven't purchased the Criterion DVD and am not really wanting to if this is something that is likely to happen.

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Re: Mr. Arkadin on DVD soon

Postby Roger Ryan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:27 am

A Criterion Blu-ray reissue would almost certainly not include the Maurice Bessy ghost-written novel that was packaged with the DVD since the company has eliminated books (and, in one instance, a screenplay) from its reissues over the past two or three years. There has been no speculation on whether ARKADIN would get a Blu-ray upgrade any time soon, but I know the DVD set was mastered in HD so an upgrade may not require significant additional work.


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