MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby Wellesnet » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:48 pm

Beatrice Welles — whose father produced, starred, directed and co-wrote “Citizen Kane” — sees “Mank” as a slap in the face of the late filmmaker.
Read her comments at https://www.wellesnet.com/beatrice-welles-mank/

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby atcolomb » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:48 am

The 2021 Oscar nominations have been announced and Mank has received the most with 10 of them. Of the Best Picture category it was the only film i have seen so far:

Best Picture:

The Father
Judas and the Black Messiah
Mank
Minari
Nomadland
Promising Young Woman
Sound of Metal
The Trial of the Chicago 7

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby Steve Paradis » Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:58 am

10 Nominations
Best Picture
Best Director: David Fincher
Best Actor: Gary Oldman
Best Supporting Actress: Amanda Seyfried
Production Design
Costume Design
Cinematography: Erik Messerschmidt
Makeup and Hairstyling
Sound
Score

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby atcolomb » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:17 pm

With all the nominations i hope it will be released on disc and i hope Criterion will get the rights to do that.

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby Steve Paradis » Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:29 pm

atcolomb wrote:With all the nominations i hope it will be released on disc and i hope Criterion will get the rights to do that.

Only if Joe McBride does the commentary track.

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby RayKelly » Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:28 pm

Steve Paradis wrote:
atcolomb wrote:With all the nominations i hope it will be released on disc and i hope Criterion will get the rights to do that.

Only if Joe McBride does the commentary track.

I needed a laugh after hearing of the nominations. Thanks! :D

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby Wellesnet » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:34 am

From The RINGER:
The Welles of Inspiration: Before There Was ‘Mank,’ There Was ‘The Simpsons’
David Fincher’s take on the legacy of Orson Welles is up for 10 Academy Awards, but will it be remembered better than the ‘Simpsons’ classic “Rosebud”? The team behind the episode discuss how it came together and why ‘Citizen Kane’ still looms large 80 years later.
The Ringer talks with Wellesnet's Ray Kelly and Philip Hallman, curator of the Screen Arts Mavericks & Makers Collection at the University of Michigan.
https://www.theringer.com/tv/2021/3/16/22333353/mank-simpsons-rosebud-citizen-kane-oscars

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby MartynH » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:53 pm

How ironic it isn't nominated for Best Original Screenplay

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby Steve Paradis » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:37 am

RayKelly wrote:
Steve Paradis wrote:
atcolomb wrote:With all the nominations i hope it will be released on disc and i hope Criterion will get the rights to do that.

Only if Joe McBride does the commentary track.

I needed a laugh after hearing of the nominations. Thanks! :D

Actually, he could.
There are independent commentaries for pictures, and he could create an audio file of one. I know I'd pay to hear it, and I bailed from Mank after seven minutes.

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby NoFake » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:10 pm

As to Mank's doubt or denial of Welles's authorship of the Kane framing device, Richard France, in his play “Obediently Yours, Orson Welles,” revealed nearly two decades ago what are, arguably -– if not even inarguably, based on the source materials hiding in plain sight, remaining largely unknown till then -- the origins of Citizen Kane.

As Welles recalls in the play:

“The truth is, I’d been carrying the idea of that script around with me for years, long before I ever heard the name, Herman Mankiewicz. That summer I ran off to Ireland, I was in New York, waiting for the boat. And I went to see a play about a famous poet, Alison, and she’s just died. Her friends and and family are visited by a reporter who’s there to do a story about the REAL Alison. All the world knows her work — but who was the person behind it? [‘Alison’s House’] went on to win the Pulitzer Prize.

“And ten years later, I made Citizen Kane. And not a single one of my . . . “ (with utter contempt) . . . “learned bee-ographers has EVER made the connection.”

If they had, you have to wonder if a dishonest film like Mank would ever have been made, much less received all the praise it has.

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby NoFake » Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:39 am

An important edit / clarification (first line):

NoFake wrote:As to Mank's doubt or denial of Welles's authorship of the Kane framing device -- and, by extension, the genesis of the film -- Richard France, in his play “Obediently Yours, Orson Welles,” revealed nearly two decades ago what are, arguably -– if not even inarguably, based on the source materials hiding in plain sight, remaining largely unknown till then -- the origins of Citizen Kane.

As Welles recalls in the play:

“The truth is, I’d been carrying the idea of that script around with me for years, long before I ever heard the name, Herman Mankiewicz. That summer I ran off to Ireland, I was in New York, waiting for the boat. And I went to see a play about a famous poet, Alison, and she’s just died. Her friends and and family are visited by a reporter who’s there to do a story about the REAL Alison. All the world knows her work — but who was the person behind it? [‘Alison’s House’] went on to win the Pulitzer Prize.

“And ten years later, I made Citizen Kane. And not a single one of my . . . “ (with utter contempt) . . . “learned bee-ographers has EVER made the connection.”

If they had, you have to wonder if a dishonest film like Mank would ever have been made, much less received all the praise it has.

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby Wich2 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:45 am

NoFake wrote:As to Mank's doubt or denial of Welles's authorship of the Kane framing device, Richard France, in his play “Obediently Yours, Orson Welles,” revealed nearly two decades ago what are, arguably -– if not even inarguably, based on the source materials hiding in plain sight, remaining largely unknown till then -- the origins of Citizen Kane


(Then again, me old pal Richard tries to take away poor Will Shakespeare's credit for his own plays, so...) :wink:

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Re: MANK - Netflix biopic on Herman Mankiewicz

Postby NoFake » Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:26 pm

Richard has asked me to post this:

Pals of mine don’t hide behind pseudonyms (?) and resort to snide innuendoes — unless, of course, they are academics who continue to resent my long-held belief that, until the birth of nanotechnology, nothing was known to exist anywhere in the universe that was smaller than what they laughingly refer to as their “minds.”


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